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J2thaROC
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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People use the term "know" very casually. You have a strong and reasonable theory. But you don't "know"



Bingo!


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EA6B
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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It's not what you believed happened it's what you can prove...


If the NCAA was a prosecutor in a court of law you would have a point, but they are not. If a coach agreed to play under their organization they agreed to the rules being whatever they say they are, and the proof required for a violation is whatever they want it to be.


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lsufball19
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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Pretty sure nobody believes that Wade didn’t cheat in any way.

If this were true, then none of these threads would be necessary and no one should have an issue with the suspension. What’s asinine is your comment. And if no one thinks he didn’t cheat then why on earth are people not blaming Will Wade for anything? Sorry, you can’t play both sides.
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SoulGlo
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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I’ve seen people say the offer was referencing a scholarship?


Scholarships are offered to players.


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J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
370 posts

re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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I just think most people here think it's the Administrations job to support the coach 100%, and that's just not the case. It's a business, and a public university with lots of stakeholders.


No one is saying they always have to support a coach regardless of the circumstances. We just feel like this administration jumped the gun in this instance and made a shite mountain out of what very well could have been just a slight bump in the road.

If the information we have is all the NCAA and the LSU administrations has, there will be zero sanctions handed down. If the NCAA and the LSU has more information than we have, they should just come out with it and fire him.

The way they are handling this is leaving the fan base in limbo at a very critical time for LSU basketball. We are in a position we haven’t been in in years. Of course the fans are going to be pissed about the way this is being handled and if a scenario plays out where we enter the tournament and get beat out immediately and then Wade is cleared and reinstated, all hell is going to break loose with the fan base.


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J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
370 posts

re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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Did you talk to drug dealers about potential other drug deals on a federal wiretap? This is a stupid parallel you’re trying to draw btw


Again, if I did, it’s irrelevant to whether or not I’m actually guilty of purchasing drugs. We could have specifically talked about prices of drugs, had actual plans for the transportation of drugs, and given specific dates about drug deals, but that STILL would not mean I absolutely purchased drugs. You’re missing one key element. THE ACTUAL DRUGS.

It’s not a crime to talk about illegal activity.


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J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
370 posts

re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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If this were true, then none of these threads would be necessary and no one should have an issue with the suspension. What’s asinine is your comment. And if no one thinks he didn’t cheat then why on earth are people not blaming Will Wade for anything? Sorry, you can’t play both sides.


It’s a little thing called evidence, Barney Fife. You got none.

A cop can know a guy just broke the law but without evidence, he can’t fricking arrest him.
He can’t just haul him into jail and say “he’s guilty because I know he did it”. It doesn’t work that way in this country.


lsufball19
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Member since Sep 2008
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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It’s a little thing called evidence, Barney Fife. You got none.

Then Wade should have no issue speaking with Alleva if no evidence whatsoever exits
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A cop can know a guy just broke the law but without evidence, he can’t fricking arrest him.

He can arrest him for probable cause and stop him for a reasonable suspicion. Nonetheless, it’s irrelevant what cops can do because the NCAA isn’t the police and doesn’t require the same burden. Neither does LSU to maintain compliance with the NCAA. Neither does Will Wade’s contract. Those are the rules in which we operate here, not criminal procedure. So please refrain from any other irrelevant and ignorant parallels you’ve been trying to draw.
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JPLSU1981
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Member since Oct 2005
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
I really can’t wrap my head around why LSU would involve the NCAA on the initial meeting with Wade.

I’m willing to concede that the suspension may very well have been warranted and reasonable, but I just don’t understand - or think it’s appropriate - to bring in a 3rd party policing agency from the get-go.

To a lesser extent, I do not think it was appropriate for the BOS to be in on the initial meeting.

First meeting should have been Alleva and Wade. Then proceed from there.


NC_Tigah
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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Then Wade should have no issue speaking with Alleva if no evidence whatsoever exits
And LSU should have no problem whatsoever publicly discussing the OLOL employment scandal. Have you read the school's statement in that regard (likely written by the same folks criticizing Wade)?




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J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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Then Wade should have no issue speaking with Alleva if no evidence whatsoever exits

He already said he would talk to them. He simply requested his lawyer be there and a limit to the scope of questions. He is under a subpoena by the FBI in a huge case. He is limited to what he can and can’t talk about.

Why is this so hard for you people to understand?

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He can arrest him for probable cause and stop him for a reasonable suspicion. Nonetheless, it’s irrelevant what cops can do because the NCAA isn’t the police and doesn’t require the same burden. Neither does LSU to maintain compliance with the NCAA. Neither does Will Wade’s contract. Those are the rules in which we operate here, not criminal procedure. So please refrain from any other irrelevant and ignorant parallels you’ve been trying to draw.


He could hold him for 24 hours for questioning but not arrest him (well, I suppose he could arrest him but it would be extremely stupid to do so and any cop that did so wouldn’t be allowed to be a cop for long)

You are completely missing the point. Do you really think the NCAA is going to bring sanctions down on LSU or Wade strictly based off what we know of that’s on that tape? If that’s all they have (and nothing has indicated they have anything else) they will not do anything. Could they? Sure. They COULD give a school the death penalty because they didn’t like the color of the uniforms the team wore for a Thursday night gane. But they would never do something that stupid. They don’t HAVE to have the same evidence that would be required in a courtroom. I agree with you on that. But they still make every attempt to get at least close to that kind of evidence.

I’ve asked this before. If the NCAA doesn’t care about getting hard evidence against a school. Why was Ole Miss not sanctioned for Tunsil admitting to being paid on national television?


lsufball19
LSU Fan
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Member since Sep 2008
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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And LSU should have no problem whatsoever publicly discussing the OLOL employment scandal.

Who said anything about Wade discussing it publicly? Is someone hindering the investigation at OLOL that’s required to do so by contract? If so, are they facing scrutiny? Are they still employed? Are you incapable of presenting a good argument or maybe staying on topic?


J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
370 posts

re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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First meeting should have been Alleva and Wade. Then proceed from there.


Exactly. The LSU administration went straight to DEFCON1 over a yahoo report. Lol what a clown show.


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BillF
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Member since Jan 2006
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
Once again...Will Wade is not under subpoena. He hasn't been served. This isn't difficult to understand. Until he is served, there is no legal reason he can't speak to whomever he wants about whatever he wants.

It may clearly be inadvisable given his circumstances, but it's not prohibited.

I practiced mass torts defense for about 37 years, and Will Wade hasn't been served, so there are, as yet, no restrictions on what he can say. Probably advisable that he doesn't, but he can if he wishes to.


BrerTiger
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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How do you know it wasn’t?


Was the handler and Javonte's mom getting a scholarship too?

Maybe a "scholarship" at OLOL?


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NC_Tigah
LSU Fan
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Member since Sep 2003
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re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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Who said anything about Wade discussing it publicly?
You haven't followed the Wade issue obviously. But just so we are clear, everything being discussed in that case seems to be going public. Had you followed any of it, you'd know that.
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Is someone hindering the investigation at OLOL that’s required to do so by contract?
As it is an embezzlement case, and various parties have lawyered up, yes.


NC_Tigah
LSU Fan
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
89730 posts

re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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Once again...Will Wade is not under subpoena.
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Will Wade has been notified that he will be subpoenaed to testify in a federal court trial to begin April 22
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I exercised my right not to submit to a joint LSU/NCAA interview on the exact same subject matter at issue in an impending federal criminal trial in New York. My legal counsel advised the University that it would be wholly inappropriate for me, or anyone, to submit to an interview under these circumstances.


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Until he is served, there is no legal reason he can't speak to whomever he wants about whatever he wants.
Such a poorly informed, puerile take.


BillF
LSU Fan
Monroe, LA
Member since Jan 2006
2300 posts

re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
Good Lord!

He hasn't been served! There is no, none, zip reason he cannot speak to anyone in the entire universe about absolutely ANYTHING he wishes to talk about.

He can speak to the FBI or the NCAA about LSU basketball or his diet or his favorite movies. There is NO LEGAL REASON that he can't.

He CAN. His lawyers have advised him NOT TO, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL REASON that he CANNOT.

He doesn't want to. That's his right, probably because he doesn't want to expose himself to NCAA or criminal charges, but he absolutely CAN speak about anything he wishes right now.


BillF
LSU Fan
Monroe, LA
Member since Jan 2006
2300 posts

re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
"He has been notified that he will be subpoenaed."

And you think this means anything? It carries absolutely no legal weight. None.

Some of you need to stop trying to be lawyers. This isn't Matlock.


NC_Tigah
LSU Fan
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
89730 posts

re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?
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There is no, none, zip reason he cannot speak to anyone in the entire universe about absolutely ANYTHING he wishes to talk about.
He can speak to anyone in the entire universe about absolutely ANYTHING after he's been served as well. Nothing prevents him from doing that. He can also set himself on fire if he wishes. It would not be prudent, but he could do it. Being served has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

What does weigh in though, is the fact that Wade is slated to be questioned closely regarding wiretapped conversations. They were conversations which he did not know were recorded. They were conversations he may not have memorialized. There may be elements of those which he honestly has forgotten or remembers differently.

Without full unfettered access to the tapes to refresh his memory, Wade could easily pass on erroneous information to LSU or the NCAA based on honest but faulty recollection. Now that would not be a very bright thing to do, would it?

In fact, it wouldn't be a very bright thing on LSU's part to even request.


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