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re: How can an OL unit be elite at pass protection yet putrid at run blocking?
Posted on 10/13/24 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/13/24 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
Where is the run play? LOL, that’s what the question was about.
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Posted on 10/13/24 at 2:45 pm to okietiger
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How can an OL unit be elite at pass protection yet putrid at run blocking?
I have been saying this all season... piss poor play design. We leave way to many unblocked defenders hoping they will get finessed out of the play. Well guess what... it aint working.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 2:51 pm to GetmorewithLes
It all starts with the center position... he has to call the blocking scheme... I know he's young, but our guy does a poor job of this... he is pretty weak physically and gets pushed back many times, blowing up any pulling by the other linemen, and he has a hard time firing off the ball for any straight ahead or zone blocking. I know the coaches see the same thing we as spectators see.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 2:53 pm to okietiger
They tend to block well when Durham gets consistent carries
Posted on 10/13/24 at 2:53 pm to okietiger
Bad run schemes
Posted on 10/13/24 at 2:55 pm to Penrod
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for some reason or another, Nuss will not pull the ball and run.
This isn’t a mystery.
The LSU coaches don’t want him to run.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:15 pm to lsufan1971
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I don’t see us pulling and running power much.
That’s because yes, they’re huge (great for pass protection) but they are slow ( terrible for run blocking, especially pulling)
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:10 pm to Scotcho Libre
quote:Miles like to build OL inside out, with C needing enough fb sense to call block scheme or protections according to playcall. I recall those OLs were fairly proficient at both protect and run, except maybe 2009.
Les Miles used to fill that O-Line up with “road grader” type Guards.
I expect it's different mentality with spread O.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:13 pm to okietiger
You hear coaches and former players say it all the time. Good run blockers have a nasty streak in them. They want to run block because they want to hit people and get them on the ground.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:20 pm to okietiger
I think this is a very simple answer. When the quarterback is no threat to run on a zone read Option or even on a read pass option, you cannot expect to be able to run. If you want to run, put the quarterback under Center if he is not a running quarterback, Use and h- back, fullback, Or spread the defense with four wide and make the defense play a five-man box, and pound.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 9:29 pm to okietiger
Because they’re pretty different processes?
Posted on 10/13/24 at 9:32 pm to okietiger
It’s like offense vs defense. Pass block is more defensive as opposed to an offensive rush attack.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 9:47 pm to okietiger
Ole Miss is the #1 team in defense against the run in the country. They are not wet blankets.
IMO that is why they want Nuss to throw more deep passes. When he develops to do this plus run a few times himself for first downs that will pull the other teams away from 7-8 men in the box and permit a better running offense. They started his development to this in the Ole Miss game and it took him out of his comfort zone. But he knows he can do it and it will improve the entire offense significantly. That’s why BK said Nuss made more progress in development against ole Miss than any other game in his post game interview.
IMO that is why they want Nuss to throw more deep passes. When he develops to do this plus run a few times himself for first downs that will pull the other teams away from 7-8 men in the box and permit a better running offense. They started his development to this in the Ole Miss game and it took him out of his comfort zone. But he knows he can do it and it will improve the entire offense significantly. That’s why BK said Nuss made more progress in development against ole Miss than any other game in his post game interview.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:31 pm to entmd2002
Doesnt help Nuss makes almost no actual use of Williams when he's not running up the gut, either.
Williams' wheel routes created a lot of space at times for Jayden.
Look at his one Florida run TD, Williams sneaks out late into the zone and Scooby Williams turns towards him and Jayden just instantly tucks and runs past him into the highlight reel.
Nuss likely just forces it out to Taylor on the dig route he was running on that play.
Williams' wheel routes created a lot of space at times for Jayden.
Look at his one Florida run TD, Williams sneaks out late into the zone and Scooby Williams turns towards him and Jayden just instantly tucks and runs past him into the highlight reel.
Nuss likely just forces it out to Taylor on the dig route he was running on that play.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:46 pm to okietiger
This is a finesse oline....the Kobe gif can also be applied here
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:49 pm to okietiger
They don't pull guards, trap, or run counters for some reason. It's kind of hard to block somebody the same size as you when they know where the ball is going
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:52 pm to WDAIII
Orgeron figured out against Florida a few years back that pulling guards & tackles is hard to defend. That's a lot of momentum to stop.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:00 am to okietiger
SCHEME
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:40 am to ForTheWin81
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How many times a game do you watch and say "boy that was a great play design"
All the time. The TD to Anderson to force OT and the TD to Lacy to win it were great design.
On the TD to Anderson, Ole Miss was in a 2 high shell. Ole Miss had been playing man with 2 high safeties over the top all night. LSU used Lacy as a decoy and ran him on the corner route from the right slot pulling the safety on the right side with him. This opened up the middle of the field for Anderson.
On the TD to Lacy, LSU came out in a formation where we had no WRs on one side leaving a corner with no WRs to play. This corner was the matchup we wanted to get Lacy on. We motioned Lacy to that side giving him the opportunity for a double move on the Rebel's weak link at corner.
There are countless other plays over the course of Kelly's tenure here where the scheme is very good. The opening play against Fla State last year comes to mind. The 2pt play to beat Alabama as well as the first play of OT to score that we used all the time with JD5.
Just because you just see a great throw or great athletic play doesn't mean scheme didn't get the matchup to allow for it to happen.
TLDR, just because you don't understand the specifics of whats going on doesn't mean it's not happening.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:48 am to ThoseGuys
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My question with this is why are people (national media) still proclaiming Campbell and Jones 1st rounders when they seem to have such a clear flaw to their game.
When you are elite at a skill, most NFL teams believe they will be able to coach you up and teach you the rest. Remember Daniele Hunter?
Their interviews and measurables in the lead up to the Draft will tell a lot about where they end up on boards and who will believe they can fill in the gaps in their current games.
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