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re: Help me out with the definition of a sac bunt.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:28 pm to Glizzy_gang
Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:28 pm to Glizzy_gang
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You just said it and you didn’t even realize it. They were the 2nd and 3rd best offenses. They could hit the ball. Teams that can’t as well will bunt because hitting a ball successfully is hard af.
It’s league-wide. The team that sacrifice bunted the most had 34 all year. About once in every 5 games. It’s a terrible way to attempt to generate offense
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:29 pm to Glizzy_gang
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1st and 2nd with one out should be automatic bunt unless you’ve got Tommy white or crews at the plate.
Nope
A great way to kill a potential big inning. The balls are juiced. No one should be bunting
Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:31 pm to GumboPot
As a coach I always counted a sac fly or bunt as a hit. Only recently found out I was wrong.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:50 am to QB
If the bunter is safe on an error, and the runner safely advances, it’s still considered a sacrifice bunt.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:02 am to JMMarine
Incorrect. Safe at first on an error at first, and the batter is still credited with a sacrifice, as long as the runner advances.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:08 am to Nutriaitch
Especially with a light hitter with good bunting skills who can advance a runner into scoring position as the lineup turns over, like Alex Milazzo (who, alas, wasn't going to beat out many bunts for an infield single).
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:50 am to Glizzy_gang
In HS and college you also see bunting as a component of small ball, which is often combined with base stealing, that pressures the crap out of the defense.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 5:39 am to Geauxdaddy88
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You can sac bunt and be safe. Fielders choice is an option. They could try to throw out advancing runner and runner beat it out.
Then it’s not a sac bunt. You are literally sacrificing an out to move up one base
Posted on 2/17/25 at 5:42 am to KCinDC
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If the batter reaches first on an error, a sacrifice is credited
You sure about that. Why wouldn’t it be ruled in error bc that’s how the advancement was made
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:55 am to Howyouluhdat
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You sure about that. Why wouldn’t it be ruled in error bc that’s how the advancement was made
Positive.
The batter is not penalized because he intended to give himself up, and the fielder is penalized and given an error for letting the batter reach.
Btw, the batter can reach first on an intended sac bunt but if a base runner is tagged out before reaching the next base or forced out;; then the batter is given a fielder’s choice not a sac bunt.
This post was edited on 2/17/25 at 9:58 am
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:07 pm to GumboPot
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If the batter approaches the plate to bunt, bunts and advances the runner AND the batter is safe at first, does that count in the “sac bunt” category?
No, now it is a hit.
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I was listening to Moscona live yesterday and he was stating that statistically you should NEVER sacrifice bunt.
So, statistically by this reason we should never listen to Moscona… but I do too.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:52 pm to LSURussian
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No, that would be safe by the infield fly rule...
Huh?! Explain yourself? It’s a bunt. Not a fly ball.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:53 pm to doubleb
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Positive. The batter is not penalized because he intended to give himself up, and the fielder is penalized and given an error for letting the batter reach.
So does it count as an AB since it was an error?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:07 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Then it’s not a sac bunt. You are literally sacrificing an out to move up one base
Wrong. It's still considered a sacrifice because the intent was for the batter to give himself up to advance the runner. By the same token, if the official scorer determines that a hitter's intention was not to give himself up but to bunt for a hit and he is thrown out, it is NOT a sacrifice. That determination is usually made by whether the hitter squares himself to bunt when the pitcher steps towards home plate instead of a drag or push bunt in one motion by the hitter as the ball approaches the plate.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:08 pm to MidCityTiger
He can also be safe at first, and ruled sacrifice on a FC
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:11 pm to LSU82BILL
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Wrong. It's still considered a sacrifice because the intent was for the batter to give himself up to advance the runner.
If the fielder chooses not to try and get you out and tries to get the lead runner and both are safe it should be ruled a FC. It’s dumb if it’s ruled a sac bunt when there was no intention to try and get you out bc that’s what is being sacrificed.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:11 pm to Howyouluhdat
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So does it count as an AB since it was an error?
No AB, the fielder gets an error and the batter gets credited with a sac bunt.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:17 pm to GumboPot
It is a sac bunt if you reach in a scoring error or fielders choice
it’s not a sac bunt if you just leg it out and beat the throw
If you bunt but it’s an attempt to reach 1st that can also be ruled as just an out.
The scorer decides based on intent if you were bunting solely to advance the runner or if you you were trying to lay down a bunt ti get on base.
it’s not a sac bunt if you just leg it out and beat the throw
If you bunt but it’s an attempt to reach 1st that can also be ruled as just an out.
The scorer decides based on intent if you were bunting solely to advance the runner or if you you were trying to lay down a bunt ti get on base.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:24 pm to GumboPot
It's a sac bunt if it advances the runner and the batter is thrown out at 1st or reaches 1st on an error. Otherwise it's a single.
Not sure what it's ruled if they try to get the leading runner and he's safe (no error). Is that a fielder's choice even if everyone is safe.
Not sure what it's ruled if they try to get the leading runner and he's safe (no error). Is that a fielder's choice even if everyone is safe.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:59 pm to Howyouluhdat
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If the fielder chooses not to try and get you out and tries to get the lead runner and both are safe it should be ruled a FC.
You're simply wrong. If the lead runner is out it is a fielder's choice. If the runner is safe, it's a sacrifice - assuming there were less than 2 outs and the hitter intended to bunt to advance the runner and not bunt for a hit.
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