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re: "He can recruit, but he can't coach." ---Dan Patrick

Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by John Cena
Member since Sep 2016
510 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:38 pm to
I'm not really sure what more you want in a coach. The guy is running a great program and just hasnt had the right qb.

Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
9098 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:38 pm to
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Before miles got to OSU they had 1 winning season from 1988- until miles was hired. He turned them into a respectable program. You cant do that without being able to coach.



Who respected a team that lost 21 games in 4 years? All he did was carry on what Simmons did. Gundy turned it into a respectable program
Posted by old man tiger
Member since Feb 2009
2383 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:41 pm to
Dan Patrick is an overaged wanna be kid who is probably a lazy shite and thinks he know everything. It maybe true what he said, but I would rather hear this from someone else other than that prick
Posted by Freddy238
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2016
1446 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:42 pm to
The topic is about les miles or Johnny Jones? Describes them both perfectly imo.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42414 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:42 pm to
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Who respected a team that lost 21 games in 4 years? All he did was carry on what Simmons did. Gundy turned it into a respectable program


From USA TODAY
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"In 2001, he was back at Oklahoma State as its head coach and helped lead the program's resurgence. He was 4-7 his first year, and then posted three consecutive winning seasons the next three years.

He led them to two wins in four years over Oklahoma — the only team in the nation to do so. He was selected the Big 12 Coach of the Year in 2002.

The last three years Oklahoma State made three straight bowl appearances as well — the first time that has happened since the mid-1980s


Yeah, what he did at a struggling school isn't respectable at all

Some of yall are ate up and it is getting embarrassing.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 12:44 pm
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24834 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:47 pm to
Who else do you want to hear it from? Dan Patrick is probably the most high profile person to say it and probably will remain the most high profile person to say it. No one in our program would ever say anything like this no matter how true it is.
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
5635 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:50 pm to
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That's not the argument I'm making.


The whole premise of your argument is illogical. You argue that Miles has several comeback victories, hence effective tactical adjustments must have been made. Wrong. Comebacks could result from any number of factors. To name just one obvious alternative explanation: depth. If you have greater depth of talent than your adversary, you'll be fresher in the fourth quarter. Superior stamina, strength, and conditioning may be another cause of fourth quarter comebacks. Luck has to be considered as another variable in comebacks, as when you run a fake punt that somehow bounces into the hands of your kicker in unlikely fashion. And what about the mental fortitude and will power of the players themselves, their effort? That isn't a tactical or playcalling or schematic adjustment. In short, there are a variety of reasons for comebacks, many of which have zero nexus to effective game day tactical adjustments. Your argument is deeply flawed.

Moreover, it's both disingenuous and inaccurate to argue that most of Miles' vaunted comebacks have occurred against elite teams like Saban's Bama. That comeback total includes many games against lesser opponents like Troy and Arizona State, to name but two.

Finally, for every game where we came back, I can name several where we've faltered in the second half. Take for example the near loss to MSU this weekend, or the one last year, or the one against UNC, or the total failure to effectively adjust the O in the second half in Lambeau, or the late game losses to Bama in 12 and 14, or the stubborn foolishness in the 11 NC, or the shutout against Arkansas two years ago, or the fourth quarter loss to ND in the bowl, or the very same result against Clemson, or Arkansas and Ole Miss pulling away from us last year in blowouts, or...hell, I could go on and on.

Your argument is illogical and erroneous. Miles' forte is NOT in-game tactical adjustments. Period. If you really think it is, you either have an agenda or you aren't paying attention.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 12:54 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70011 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:58 pm to
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No they won't. I follow recruiting closely. Louisiana lacks elite QB's, Linebackers, Offensive Lineman historically. There are plenty of elite skill players to be had.


You really need to follow reading comprehension over recruiting. THE KEY TO OUR RECRUITING SUCCESS IS GETTING THE MJORIY OF OUR IN STATE TALENT. Nothing in that statement says we don't need to get recruits from out of state also. LSU has been pretty damn good since the mid 90's correct? I guess you don't think keeping most of our top in state talent has anything to do with that?
Posted by Hoodatt
Member since Feb 2005
2632 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:59 pm to
Miles' biggest problem is that he has not been able to keep the most talented Jrs and Srs from going pro. At first glance, the more upperclassmen that are starters who are returning, the higher the probability of success. So I think we see better results in the W-L column.
Posted by YellaPurp
Member since May 2016
1828 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:01 pm to
frick DAN PATRICK

i only listen to him when Brees,Barkley & Reggie Miller on the show
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24834 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:03 pm to
What's wrong with Dan Patrick? He is the opposite of ESPN, which is great.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86164 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:03 pm to
so for the "he can't recruit either" guys...

y'all truly believe the Miles has just lucked his way into a successful 11 year coaching career at LSU?

Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
73709 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:05 pm to
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I'm not really sure what more you want in a coach. The guy is running a great program and just hasnt had the right qb.


No, the guy is benefiting tremendously from a tremendous recruiting situation. An established LSU is a great place for recruiting.

He sends more players to the NFL than anyone, but nothing to show for it.. he doesn't make many adjustments when things aren't working. A good coach does..

He rather be stubborn and go down because of it than be better at x and o's.

He is also responsible for the culture of QBs at LSU that continue to fail in the passing game under him. He took over the offense in 2008 and it was a nightmare.. and he has never been the same since. His qbs have no confidence and their play is a direct reflection of the culture he has created.

He's gone very stale and he will still win games on talent alone, but he's non competitive in games against equal talent or greater.. and it's a shame.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:05 pm to
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The guy is running a great program and just hasnt had the right qb.



You're joking right...seriously??? Just hasn't had the right QB???....like its just random luck when a good QB comes around???
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
Member since Dec 2013
541 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:07 pm to
LSU has produced few elite QBs, none of the TOP 25 in the SEC, however LA has produced plenty: Bradshaw, All three Mannings, Dak Prescott....etc.
Posted by WacoTiger
Waco, Texas
Member since Nov 2003
4189 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:07 pm to
Don't think Harbough has a better collegiate record (championships, bowl wins, etc.) than Miles. How can DP make that statement about Miles?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70011 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:10 pm to
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y'all truly believe the Miles has just lucked his way into a successful 11 year coaching career at LSU?


I think he is the luckiest coach in cfb history. He was mediocre at best prior to LSU and completely lucked out getting the job. Saban had established the building blocks for a powerhouse. He upgraded our facilities and showed future recruits they can win a title at LSU. I believe plenty of coaches could have come here and had the same success if not more. It can't be proven but I do know Gundy took Ok. State to a level higher than CLM did.
Posted by UncleRuckus
Member since Feb 2013
10035 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:11 pm to
Did he say this 5 years ago? If not, this is really old news
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89713 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:15 pm to
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Your argument is illogical and erroneous. Miles' forte is NOT in-game tactical adjustments. Period. If you really think it is, you either have an agenda or you aren't paying attention.



Saying he makes no adjustments is just flat out wrong.

Of course there are a lot of factors in wins and losses and the flow of every game.


But to just sit here and say the can't can't coach, it is just bullshite. And you know that.


You basically just posted a lot of bullshite to argue me saying he makes adjustments. I have never said Miles is a tactical genius.

I havent even said we should retain him after this season.


This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Pianoman
New Iberia
Member since Dec 2003
2874 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:18 pm to
Putting Miles in the same sentence as Saban and Harbaugh.....BWAHAHAHAHA! I actually think Harbaugh is a better all-around coach than Saban since he was very successful in the NFL and Saban bombed. For those who are saying Miles has a better record, etc. than Harbaugh, I would drop Miles for Harbaugh in a nanosecond. Would I prefer Miles as a person? Sure, but we're not paying him for his personality traits. These guys like Harbaugh, Saban, Meyer, and heck, Petrino as well aren't really likeable personalities. They're just one-track-minded A type personalities who want to win more than anything. I've simply grown old of the nice guy but buffoon personality of Les Miles and am ready for a winner, regardless of how nice of a personality he is.
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