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Quid Pro Quo
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re: Congrats to LSU, O, and the staff for the #3 2019 recruiting class !!
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 2/12/19 at 1:08 pm
Sorry Sammy, but Buckeye signed off so Ree could sign on.
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re: O Will Always be Compared to Les, Saban, and Jimbo/Herman
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 2/11/19 at 12:20 am
One of the main contingencies for the O experiment was that he would take less money and hire the very best OC in the FBS to develop the Offense and that O, a Miles hire for his touted knowledge of LA Recruiting, would focus on reeling in the right recruits to "rebuild the holes left in the Roster by Miles" myth. Neither of which were done and the whole idea of a rebuild is going into the 4th yr with his buddy as the OC with just as many Roster holes in the Trenches.
If you try and make the stretch comparison of O to Dabo you are willfully ignorant of Dabo's consistent long history of Offensive development at ALA and Clemson and his meticulous notebook of everyday he was in football all preparing for if and when he ever got his chance: No Ordinary Interim: How Dabo turned a 7 Week Job Into a Dynasty He also made the immediate Coaching fires and hires to change the Offense and Defense and he and his Coaches have all turned down jobs making more money to stay at Clemson.
Meanwhile 247 has bumped Texas recruits to UT outrageously because Herman has forwarded elaborate tapes for their review. Tex would be ranked several spots lower without that bias. But then look at all the recruits without relentless hype tapes, Etienne for example, or Kentucky 2 Star Josh Allen a 1st round Top 10.
Earlier in this thread it was said "It is about time to let that issue go". No. That is the pivotal reason Miles was fired. To replace him with better not the SOS by promoting from within his Staff.
"O will Always be Compared to Les, Saban, Jimbo/Herman...Malzahn, Smart, Mullen and all the Coaches in the SEC who are committed to recruiting the right players to win Championships, from within State and Nationally. Everyone wants to build a national brand. Fisher recruited 5 LBs from 5 states outside TX. They must be the right fit for the program's needs and each must pass evaluation of the Coaching Staff not a Recruiting Agency 247 Star Search Qualification. As Dabo says the Recruiting Rankings are backwards and should be assigned upon graduation. He said he just graduated the highest Class in history. You recruit potential and you Coach and develop talent. How do you sort through the hype to find the potential? "That is why they call us Coach."
All of the Coaches I listened to make their Recruiting Class Summaries all said the same thing: They would not recruit a single player who did not best fill a specific roster need to help them win a Conference Championship.
If you try and make the stretch comparison of O to Dabo you are willfully ignorant of Dabo's consistent long history of Offensive development at ALA and Clemson and his meticulous notebook of everyday he was in football all preparing for if and when he ever got his chance: No Ordinary Interim: How Dabo turned a 7 Week Job Into a Dynasty He also made the immediate Coaching fires and hires to change the Offense and Defense and he and his Coaches have all turned down jobs making more money to stay at Clemson.
Meanwhile 247 has bumped Texas recruits to UT outrageously because Herman has forwarded elaborate tapes for their review. Tex would be ranked several spots lower without that bias. But then look at all the recruits without relentless hype tapes, Etienne for example, or Kentucky 2 Star Josh Allen a 1st round Top 10.
Earlier in this thread it was said "It is about time to let that issue go". No. That is the pivotal reason Miles was fired. To replace him with better not the SOS by promoting from within his Staff.
"O will Always be Compared to Les, Saban, Jimbo/Herman...Malzahn, Smart, Mullen and all the Coaches in the SEC who are committed to recruiting the right players to win Championships, from within State and Nationally. Everyone wants to build a national brand. Fisher recruited 5 LBs from 5 states outside TX. They must be the right fit for the program's needs and each must pass evaluation of the Coaching Staff not a Recruiting Agency 247 Star Search Qualification. As Dabo says the Recruiting Rankings are backwards and should be assigned upon graduation. He said he just graduated the highest Class in history. You recruit potential and you Coach and develop talent. How do you sort through the hype to find the potential? "That is why they call us Coach."
All of the Coaches I listened to make their Recruiting Class Summaries all said the same thing: They would not recruit a single player who did not best fill a specific roster need to help them win a Conference Championship.
re: O Will Always be Compared to Les, Saban, and Jimbo/Herman
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 2/10/19 at 10:49 pm
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Coach "O wasn’t hired “instead of” Herman or Fisher. Those two turned us down. They weren’t coming here."
This is an oft repeated falsehood to justify the failure of the AD to make a promised legitimate hire of a sitting HC with a proven Offensive track record to correct the failure of Miles/Cameron's lack of Offensive development, specifically they were more and more non-competitive with ALA and therefore not "Competing for Championships" every year. The actual facts are so easily found on TD, the Press, and in some 1500 FOIA documents.
TrevRollings:
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I dont think this is entirely true. Jimbo wanted to be here and even said as much before ending the conversation. Tom Herman, allegedly could have been had for what we offered Jimbo. Joe pursued them on paper, but he did so knowing that he could fall back on Orgeron if he made it seem like he went after them.
Rickdaddy4188:
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You're not remembering the Herman alleva issue correctly. Herman in no way turned lsu down. In fact it looked like lsu had a soft agreement with Herman until he told alleva he wanted to see Texas' offer. Alleva then pulled the offer and hired O. There was no search. Alleva offered the 2 most obvious coaches, got his panties in a wad, and offered O.
Fisher applied for the job 3 times (04,15,16). He was not interviewed in 04 and after reaching mutual agreement was never given a final offer in 15, and he withdrew in 16 after Alleva balked. If he had been hired as even an interim in 04 there would have been continuity of that Staff and the momentum on Offense. Saban's rehire would have been an unknown contingency option.
in 2015 there was mutual agreement on all the terms and LSU was proceeding to finalize the offer/hire. The LSU Players were told before the A&M Game that Fisher was going to be the New HC. That is when Stanley Jacobs and Jindal intervened and FKing said despite the entire cost of the Coaching Hire being funded by Boosters that the 'optics' of the $30million transition & buyout would be just too difficult to explain politically in light of the 'financial exigency' Jindal had put the University in with budget cuts. Miles had been told as early as Monday that A&M was his last game. That was a failure by Alleva who capitulated to political pressure, lacking the will or political capital to risk executing the optimum hire he negotiated.
By the end of 2016 Scott Woodward had been at A&M for a year and in close contact with Fisher about the future. Having been jilted in 2015 at the last second he again threw his hat in the ring at a higher price and longer term. Alleva did not entertain the now ~7 million x 7 yr Sexton negotiating price. Then Alleva turned to Herman and insulted him by saying he was LSU's #1 choice and offered him 5 million "take it or leave it" no warm vetting process or customary courtship to assure or sell Herman on the opportunities unique to LSU. The problem aside from Alleva's cold pitch was that his agent Trace Armstrong and Sexton both work at CAA and Herman knew the Fisher asking price. Armstrong countered that Herman could be hired definitively for 6 million. Alleva withdrew the offer. He did not hire a sitting HC for one of the top positions in the nation. He did the unprecedented, promoting Miles' DL & TE Coach in the middle of the night. People who saw the contract said he 'whited out' the Fisher offer, slashed it in half and voila the first major head Coach to be hired off the DL by a long-running back channel Ponamsky/Alleva PR campaign sealed with a couple of 'binders that blew away 'I Am The Search'.
re: Modern Offense. Modern offense, modern offense
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 2/3/19 at 10:49 pm
2017 2 wks after a 74 yr record 37-7 loss to an unranked team (MSST) LSU lost to Troy "the worst thing to happen to the SEC" per Saban who needs LSU to be ranked highly when he plays them FWIW. 'Troy is a million miles ahead of LSU offensively in 'Scheme & Execution'. Think about that. There is nothing more useless than being efficient at that which is obsolete. To put LSU's 'AWful-offense' into perspective there are no scholars of the game studying how to be offensively obsolete. Our OC is obsolete. Saban is changing his who killed us but couldn't compete with Clemson.
In 2008 Troy took a 31-3 lead late in the 3rd Qtr against LSU at TS with a modern spread up-tempo O. The Coach, Blakeney, shut down the spread attack from Levi Brown and went into a "Miles" TOP wishbone, lost the momentum and the game. Blakeney said afterward that you never do something innovative and new for part of the game and then lock it down with TOP ball control. He said you are either all in or you deserve to get whipped.
Fisher said you never sit on a 2-3 touchdown lead because momentum can change and you might not get it back. There is not such thing as garbage time. You keep scoring until the end of the game, until you have robbed the other team of all hope, broken, crushed, and driven a stake through their heart.
The game Clemson was playing was entirely different than Saban had ever dealt with before. His brain did not work the way Dabo's did. On third and long with Clemson pinned back Lawrence threw TD after TD in man coverage over overmatched DBs heads.
Of all the teams to make it through to the Super Bowl the Rams were the most conventional, decipherable, by a Defense. They still run 40% or more conservative play-action passes where the line is pass blocking vs RPO run/pass blocking.
In 2008 Troy took a 31-3 lead late in the 3rd Qtr against LSU at TS with a modern spread up-tempo O. The Coach, Blakeney, shut down the spread attack from Levi Brown and went into a "Miles" TOP wishbone, lost the momentum and the game. Blakeney said afterward that you never do something innovative and new for part of the game and then lock it down with TOP ball control. He said you are either all in or you deserve to get whipped.
Fisher said you never sit on a 2-3 touchdown lead because momentum can change and you might not get it back. There is not such thing as garbage time. You keep scoring until the end of the game, until you have robbed the other team of all hope, broken, crushed, and driven a stake through their heart.
The game Clemson was playing was entirely different than Saban had ever dealt with before. His brain did not work the way Dabo's did. On third and long with Clemson pinned back Lawrence threw TD after TD in man coverage over overmatched DBs heads.
Of all the teams to make it through to the Super Bowl the Rams were the most conventional, decipherable, by a Defense. They still run 40% or more conservative play-action passes where the line is pass blocking vs RPO run/pass blocking.
re: Modern Offense. Modern offense, modern offense
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 2/3/19 at 10:08 pm
For the next "however many years" that Saban coaches he has been Schematically upstaged by Swinney and he knows that the Status Quo at ALA cannot compete with the new Benchmark Scheme at Clemson:
For Nick Saban, sometimes wholesale change is necessary, even a year after another significant overhaul of his coaching staff.
Coming off Alabama’s disastrous 44-16 loss to Clemson in the College Football Playoff National Championship, by far the most lopsided defeat of his 12-year tenure in Tuscaloosa, Saban has once again completely turned over his Crimson Tide assistant coaching staff with the yet-to-be-announced hiring of seven new assistant coaches in the past three weeks.
“I think you’re always going to have changes,” Saban told Birmingham's CBS 42 last Thursday night. “You’d like to have continuity, but I think sometimes changes bring a lot of positive energy, new energy, new ideas and we’re looking forward to sort of rebuilding the program so that it’s what we want it to be.
“We’ve got a lot of work to do, but I’m excited about the people we’ve been able to get to attract to come to Alabama.”
For Nick Saban, sometimes wholesale change is necessary, even a year after another significant overhaul of his coaching staff.
Coming off Alabama’s disastrous 44-16 loss to Clemson in the College Football Playoff National Championship, by far the most lopsided defeat of his 12-year tenure in Tuscaloosa, Saban has once again completely turned over his Crimson Tide assistant coaching staff with the yet-to-be-announced hiring of seven new assistant coaches in the past three weeks.
“I think you’re always going to have changes,” Saban told Birmingham's CBS 42 last Thursday night. “You’d like to have continuity, but I think sometimes changes bring a lot of positive energy, new energy, new ideas and we’re looking forward to sort of rebuilding the program so that it’s what we want it to be.
“We’ve got a lot of work to do, but I’m excited about the people we’ve been able to get to attract to come to Alabama.”
re: Modern Offense. Modern offense, modern offense
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 2/3/19 at 9:17 pm
No quarterback in 247Sports history rated higher than Clemson signee Trevor Lawrence. Just over a year after he arrived on the Tigers’ campus as an early enrollee, Lawrence led Clemson to a 44-16 drubbing of No. 1 Alabama. Remember, the Tide suffocated Clemson’s offense in a 24-6 win in the Sugar Bowl the year before. The Tigers’ starter that day, Kelly Bryant, passed for just 124 yards and two INTs in that loss. Lawrence, in his national championship ascendance, shredded Alabama for 347 yards and three touchdowns.
re: Thread, Anchored/Whacked by Tiger Ree: "Do-you-wish-we-had-tom-herman-now ?/79254410/"
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 10/8/18 at 12:47 am
Did not Reid.
Thread, Anchored/Whacked by Tiger Ree: "Do-you-wish-we-had-tom-herman-now ?/79254410/"
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 10/7/18 at 10:16 pm
Fake News Alert: Ree & Buckeye Jeaux say IGNORE!!
When Tom Herman was winning early, Tiger Ree popped into a "What Could Have Been" muse Scoreboard Thread about Herman and went off like a crazed rantard, spewing sarcastic vitriol about Herman like he does Jimbo.
I have not posted much in a while because what point would it serve to challenge the Status Epilepticus of 5-0/#5 frenzy?
Ree then boasted that he had anchored my thread and called me a Dumbfrick for posting "all that for nothing"...Fake News, HaHa. Then a couple people added to it and he Whacked it.
Ree, Refrain from calling other Posters DUMBfricks. Also, Anchoring threads and getting them deleted is a real insecure, lowlife move on your part. Hang in there little buddy and get a grip rather than a gripe.
____________ The Deleted Thread:
We have never had a QB Coach after Jimbo. He and Saban resurrected LSU to the NC title in 2003 (w/Emmert/Bertman facilitation). Saban and Jimbo grew up 20 miles apart in WVA's 'cradle of Coaching. They are making the SEC great and they belong to LSU.
QB has changed because of 2010 Cam Newton. 2011 GOC was the pinnacle of Defensive SEC football. All 23 Defensive players on each side of the ball were drafted, including 1st Rounder Eric Reid. The season opened with #4 LSU vs #3 Oregon and Chavis directed a master class in 'never sacrifice size for speed. Mathieu, perfect example, scored the 1st TD of the year with a Strip/Scoop/Score. He, without a family, had to dodge inner city bullets like LF7 to get to LSU, both almost shot like Perrilloux was. #IMWITHKAP.
Reid Repping the DBU...and whoa look at those Black Panthers!! FYI All DBs are Black/Arfo-Americans, not a single White one has started since 2002: 75% of NFL is Black.
NFL owners have decided that kneeling will not be tolerated. But of course, as 100% wealthy white guys, police brutality and racial discrimination don’t affect them the same way as Kaepernick and his fellow African-American players.
Damn, Reid is Playing for the Black Panthers!!!
Now the paradigm is DTQB/RPO/Tempo and scoring. Saban learned his lesson in 2014 from Herman who beat him with Ohio State's 3rd string QB, Cardale Jones, making his 3rd start going 3-0 NC. and then Tajh Boyd & Deshaun Watson. Throw in Jimbo/Jameis Winston, Mariotta, Kiffin/Sims/Coker and you get Tua/Hurts and no one is beating Bama in the SECWest until Jimbo has another year to recruit.
The SEC is populated with the only 4 NC Coaches & their Assistants now that Miles is gone: Jimbo, Meyer, Saban, and Dabo. O, Aranda, Ensminger are good ole boyz that Alleva "I am the search" had on Staff. A shot of whiskey and he fired an NC Coach and went cheap and lazy. Alleva promised an Offensive Coach like Herman and Fisher and did not ante up. When the SECN pays out 40+ million/yr and rising, no excuse to go cheap and keep putting our DBs in the NFL.
This just a MEME/Satire..like Les "Better to be the Hammer than the Nail" Miles.
A year ago today the program was going into the FLA game unranked after historic losses to Troy and State and Alleva and Orgeron were tetering. Alleva called a meeting saying " you guys are going to get me fired".
O said he and Canada left the meeting having buried the hatchet....
When Tom Herman was winning early, Tiger Ree popped into a "What Could Have Been" muse Scoreboard Thread about Herman and went off like a crazed rantard, spewing sarcastic vitriol about Herman like he does Jimbo.
I have not posted much in a while because what point would it serve to challenge the Status Epilepticus of 5-0/#5 frenzy?
Ree then boasted that he had anchored my thread and called me a Dumbfrick for posting "all that for nothing"...Fake News, HaHa. Then a couple people added to it and he Whacked it.
Ree, Refrain from calling other Posters DUMBfricks. Also, Anchoring threads and getting them deleted is a real insecure, lowlife move on your part. Hang in there little buddy and get a grip rather than a gripe.
____________ The Deleted Thread:
We have never had a QB Coach after Jimbo. He and Saban resurrected LSU to the NC title in 2003 (w/Emmert/Bertman facilitation). Saban and Jimbo grew up 20 miles apart in WVA's 'cradle of Coaching. They are making the SEC great and they belong to LSU.
QB has changed because of 2010 Cam Newton. 2011 GOC was the pinnacle of Defensive SEC football. All 23 Defensive players on each side of the ball were drafted, including 1st Rounder Eric Reid. The season opened with #4 LSU vs #3 Oregon and Chavis directed a master class in 'never sacrifice size for speed. Mathieu, perfect example, scored the 1st TD of the year with a Strip/Scoop/Score. He, without a family, had to dodge inner city bullets like LF7 to get to LSU, both almost shot like Perrilloux was. #IMWITHKAP.
Reid Repping the DBU...and whoa look at those Black Panthers!! FYI All DBs are Black/Arfo-Americans, not a single White one has started since 2002: 75% of NFL is Black.
NFL owners have decided that kneeling will not be tolerated. But of course, as 100% wealthy white guys, police brutality and racial discrimination don’t affect them the same way as Kaepernick and his fellow African-American players.
Damn, Reid is Playing for the Black Panthers!!!
Now the paradigm is DTQB/RPO/Tempo and scoring. Saban learned his lesson in 2014 from Herman who beat him with Ohio State's 3rd string QB, Cardale Jones, making his 3rd start going 3-0 NC. and then Tajh Boyd & Deshaun Watson. Throw in Jimbo/Jameis Winston, Mariotta, Kiffin/Sims/Coker and you get Tua/Hurts and no one is beating Bama in the SECWest until Jimbo has another year to recruit.
The SEC is populated with the only 4 NC Coaches & their Assistants now that Miles is gone: Jimbo, Meyer, Saban, and Dabo. O, Aranda, Ensminger are good ole boyz that Alleva "I am the search" had on Staff. A shot of whiskey and he fired an NC Coach and went cheap and lazy. Alleva promised an Offensive Coach like Herman and Fisher and did not ante up. When the SECN pays out 40+ million/yr and rising, no excuse to go cheap and keep putting our DBs in the NFL.
This just a MEME/Satire..like Les "Better to be the Hammer than the Nail" Miles.
A year ago today the program was going into the FLA game unranked after historic losses to Troy and State and Alleva and Orgeron were tetering. Alleva called a meeting saying " you guys are going to get me fired".
O said he and Canada left the meeting having buried the hatchet....
quote:
Orgeron is 3-2 through five games this season, with a blowout loss to a mediocre Mississippi State team, its first non-conference home loss since 2000 and a narrow win over sputtering Syracuse. It’s the tenor of the results that are most troubling, as LSU inexplicably lacks the passion, fire and intensity that turned Orgeron into a caricature. “They don’t play hard,” a veteran college coach texted after watching the Troy debacle on Saturday night. “Troy was more physical!” Yahoo Sports conducted a half-dozen interviews last week with coaches, scouts and analysts who played LSU or studied them extensively this season. The results came back alarmingly consistent, an ugly autopsy that pinpointed all the things you wouldn’t expect from an Orgeron team: lack of effort, uninspired play at the line of scrimmage and a penchant to quit when things get tough. No one expected Orgeron to be an X’s and O’s savant or a visionary program builder. Expensive coordinators Matt Canada and Dave Aranda were given lucrative contracts to handle the details of the program. Orgeron’s job was to be the Cajun Dabo, delivering mojo, recruiting juice and motivation. Instead, the scary reality is that these Tigers don’t have any of the traits long associated without Orgeron. Somehow, the coach famous for his growl has a program with no bite. “It wasn’t what you expect,” said one assistant coach. “You expect guys ready to kick your arse. There wasn’t any fire. Genetically they weren’t as good. On film, they weren’t as good. But these guys, I don’t know. These guys, I don’t even know what to say. I can’t believe they play the way they do. They’re soft. Soft. It doesn’t make sense.” Added another personnel executive: “When everything got super tough against Mississippi State, they tapped out. State was giving it to them and they didn’t want any piece of it. They were tapping out the entire game.”
re: Last Word with Coach O" before the Tigers take off for Florida.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 10/7/18 at 8:42 pm
Where oh Where are you Counselor REE and Buckeye Jeaux?????
re: Last Word with Coach O" before the Tigers take off for Florida.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 10/6/18 at 1:08 pm
Ree, You are all fluff and glitter. Try throwing in some facts and not just pics of your boss stretching.
A year ago today the program was going into the FLA game unranked and Alleva and Orgeron were afraid they would be fired.
LSU is soft and being pushed around Offensively and Defensively
LSU’s 24-21 loss to Troy University of the Sun Belt on Saturday night provided a new low, as LSU didn’t just lose to a three-touchdown underdog. They got pushed around the field, out-toughed and dominated in the trenches.
football-limbo-gumbo-style-an-unwinnable-situation-for-lsu-orgeron-and-alleva
Tiger REE - Thread Anchor/Whacker, Vitrolic Asshat, & Buckeye Joe "Burrow is Better than Haskins & Brady..If You Don't Know that, Football is not Your Thing, You'll Catch on When he torches FLA GA State ALA. Meyer rode the wrong Horse with Haskins -Have a Nice Life"
A year ago today the program was going into the FLA game unranked and Alleva and Orgeron were afraid they would be fired.
LSU is soft and being pushed around Offensively and Defensively
LSU’s 24-21 loss to Troy University of the Sun Belt on Saturday night provided a new low, as LSU didn’t just lose to a three-touchdown underdog. They got pushed around the field, out-toughed and dominated in the trenches.
quote:
Orgeron is 3-2 through five games this season, with a blowout loss to a mediocre Mississippi State team, its first non-conference home loss since 2000 and a narrow win over sputtering Syracuse. It’s the tenor of the results that are most troubling, as LSU inexplicably lacks the passion, fire and intensity that turned Orgeron into a caricature. “They don’t play hard,” a veteran college coach texted after watching the Troy debacle on Saturday night. “Troy was more physical!” Yahoo Sports conducted a half-dozen interviews last week with coaches, scouts and analysts who played LSU or studied them extensively this season. The results came back alarmingly consistent, an ugly autopsy that pinpointed all the things you wouldn’t expect from an Orgeron team: lack of effort, uninspired play at the line of scrimmage and a penchant to quit when things get tough.
No one expected Orgeron to be an X’s and O’s savant or a visionary program builder. Expensive coordinators Matt Canada and Dave Aranda were given lucrative contracts to handle the details of the program. Orgeron’s job was to be the Cajun Dabo, delivering mojo, recruiting juice and motivation. Instead, the scary reality is that these Tigers don’t have any of the traits long associated without Orgeron. Somehow, the coach famous for his growl has a program with no bite.
“It wasn’t what you expect,” said one assistant coach. “You expect guys ready to kick your arse. There wasn’t any fire. Genetically they weren’t as good. On film, they weren’t as good. But these guys, I don’t know. These guys, I don’t even know what to say. I can’t believe they play the way they do. They’re soft. Soft. It doesn’t make sense.”
Added another personnel executive: “When everything got super tough against Mississippi State, they tapped out. State was giving it to them and they didn’t want any piece of it. They were tapping out the entire game.”
football-limbo-gumbo-style-an-unwinnable-situation-for-lsu-orgeron-and-alleva
Tiger REE - Thread Anchor/Whacker, Vitrolic Asshat, & Buckeye Joe "Burrow is Better than Haskins & Brady..If You Don't Know that, Football is not Your Thing, You'll Catch on When he torches FLA GA State ALA. Meyer rode the wrong Horse with Haskins -Have a Nice Life"
re: Eric Reid Signed by the Panthers!
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 9/27/18 at 2:04 pm
quote:
A millionaire, biracial athlete acting as if he's down on the streets actually experiencing the social injustice he's railing against. What a fraud.
“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view…until you climb in his skin and walk around in it.” Atticus Finch
It is awe-inspiring that, when facing five years in prison, Ali said: “I strongly object to the fact that so many newspapers have given the American public and the world the impression that I have only two alternatives in this stand — either I go to jail or go to the Army. There is another alternative, and that alternative is justice. If justice prevails, if my constitutional rights are upheld, I will be forced to go neither to the Army nor jail. In the end, I am confident that justice will come my way, for the truth must eventually prevail.”
Because America treated its black people as second-class citizens, the champ said he’d stand his ground by refusing to serve in its Army. As for the war in Vietnam, Muhammad Ali, condemned racial discrimination in America, declaring that “no Vietcong ever called me ****.” He was, at the time, the greatest boxer in the world, even if he’d been stripped of his world heavyweight title months before. His crime? Refusing the draft.
In 1967, long before it was obvious to most, Ali connected the black freedom struggle to the injustices of the war in Vietnam, saying: “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No, I'm not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would cost me millions of dollars. But I have said it once and I will say it again: The real enemy of my people is here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality.... If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people, they wouldn't have to draft me, I'd join tomorrow. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I'll go to jail, so what? We've been in jail for 400 years.”
“Believe in something. Even if it means sacrificing everything”
re: Eric Reid Signed by the Panthers!
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 9/27/18 at 1:10 pm
The quiet, soft-spoken Reid, working on minimal sleep, delivered the most memorable game of his career: Six tackles, five in the first quarter, a forced fumble a 26-yard blocked field-goal return and THE interception.
re: Highest winning percentage in the last 100 years as LSU head coach
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 9/25/18 at 11:49 am
re: John Chavis.. What happened to him?
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 9/17/18 at 10:44 pm
Chavis is an LSU legend.
You have forgotten what Chavis did in his 6 yrs here to prop up Miles' lack of Offense. 1st he took a unit that was ranked 60th in 2008 and turned them in to the 11th ranked D in the FBS with his scheme.
The players loved him and he produced a slew of NFL draftees. Mingo said after meeting Chavis he would not play for anyone else. You underestimate his ability to attract recruits.
His 6 seasons were (2009) 11th, 11th, 2nd, 12th, 21st, 4th (2014)...golden yrs for TOs and Defensive Scores.
He was the foil to the spread Offense with his Mustang D.
In the 2014 ALA game that was tied 10-10 Chief held ALA to zero pts and one 1st down in the second half. The D forced Yeldon to fumble on the 6 with under 2 minutes to go. Beckwith recovered. Vadal Alexander then commits an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on 1st down and it backs the ball up to the 21. Jennings was floundering 8 of 26 for 76 yds and 1 INT. So LSU went nowhere and kicked a FG with 50 secs left to go up 13-10. Then Domingue shanks the KO out of bounds, giving ALA a short field. Sims was having his worst career night. On 2 3rd-and-4's, Sims managed to escape the grasp of Jalen Mills' blitz. A 22 yd pass to Christion Jones looked trapped but the Tide ran HUNH before it could be reviewed. They tied on a FG and won on the "Fat Guy" play in OT.
Aranda may prove to be equally great but he has not been better.
You have forgotten what Chavis did in his 6 yrs here to prop up Miles' lack of Offense. 1st he took a unit that was ranked 60th in 2008 and turned them in to the 11th ranked D in the FBS with his scheme.
The players loved him and he produced a slew of NFL draftees. Mingo said after meeting Chavis he would not play for anyone else. You underestimate his ability to attract recruits.
His 6 seasons were (2009) 11th, 11th, 2nd, 12th, 21st, 4th (2014)...golden yrs for TOs and Defensive Scores.
He was the foil to the spread Offense with his Mustang D.
In the 2014 ALA game that was tied 10-10 Chief held ALA to zero pts and one 1st down in the second half. The D forced Yeldon to fumble on the 6 with under 2 minutes to go. Beckwith recovered. Vadal Alexander then commits an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on 1st down and it backs the ball up to the 21. Jennings was floundering 8 of 26 for 76 yds and 1 INT. So LSU went nowhere and kicked a FG with 50 secs left to go up 13-10. Then Domingue shanks the KO out of bounds, giving ALA a short field. Sims was having his worst career night. On 2 3rd-and-4's, Sims managed to escape the grasp of Jalen Mills' blitz. A 22 yd pass to Christion Jones looked trapped but the Tide ran HUNH before it could be reviewed. They tied on a FG and won on the "Fat Guy" play in OT.
Aranda may prove to be equally great but he has not been better.
re: Caption this pic
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 2/7/18 at 5:10 pm
Geaux Oeaux
re: I just don't get it....Why do all of our guys leave?
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 1/15/18 at 9:24 pm
As pointed out by all of the posts it is a complicated, situational, and cultural issue. LSU has indeed sold the 3 and gone to recruits as well as having the most players in the NFL. But that talent did not translate into the ability to sell juniors on "return and compete for an NC".
Players returning to Clemson, Alabama, and now Georgia is loyalty to the Coaches who invested in them, loyalty to their schools, and the chance to win the CFP NCG. I don't think you will see that changing.
Alabama with four trips and Clemson with three have occupied seven of the 16 spots in the first four years of the College Football Playoff. Seven other programs have accounted for the other nine spots. Only four programs have won a playoff game. Alabama and Clemson have three playoff victories each. Ohio State, the 2014 champion, has two. Oregon has one. Getting Tired of ALA, Clemson: Get Used to It
Clemson has lost 4 games in 3 yrs with an NC, Bama has lost 3 games with 2 NCs. They have been in the last 3 Final Fours or won the NC.
Clemson is returning their entire Defensive Line. They credit all of the players from Tajh Boyd and OC Chad Morris Offensive Change to building on Clemson's success. Only ALA and Clemson have been so consistent the last 4 yrs.
GA would not have been in the Final Four without returning 31 Seniors including 1st Round 5 Stars Lorenzo Carter, Chubb, Michel, and Davin Bellamy. Carter was an LSU lock until his sisters changed his mind an hour before his NSD announcement. The Big Four left millions on the table but they also benefited their school with millions, brought in the Top Recruiting Class, and raised their draft stock. But they were not enough to beat the ALA Freshmen. BIG FOUR leave millions on the table to play for CFP NCG
Nick Saban rolled out 6 5-star True Freshmen in the 2nd half to beat them: Tua, RB Najee Harris, WRs Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy, and LT Alex Leatherwood. Bama has a Process and depth. 6 True Freshmen Unleashed in 2nd Half 26 Point Win
LSU wore LF and DG out in 2 yrs playing Smashmouth, run first, old school football. They played injured their Junior years. They were also the most important players on the team instead of the whole TEAM. RBs have the shortest careers in the NFL, under 3 yrs. They were injured, digressing, and needed to get away from LSU and into the NFL where they Pass 65% of the time to set up the run. They needed to get paid. LF as a Soph Sports Science Phenom: Elite Speed, Agility
Players returning to Clemson, Alabama, and now Georgia is loyalty to the Coaches who invested in them, loyalty to their schools, and the chance to win the CFP NCG. I don't think you will see that changing.
Alabama with four trips and Clemson with three have occupied seven of the 16 spots in the first four years of the College Football Playoff. Seven other programs have accounted for the other nine spots. Only four programs have won a playoff game. Alabama and Clemson have three playoff victories each. Ohio State, the 2014 champion, has two. Oregon has one. Getting Tired of ALA, Clemson: Get Used to It
Clemson has lost 4 games in 3 yrs with an NC, Bama has lost 3 games with 2 NCs. They have been in the last 3 Final Fours or won the NC.
Clemson is returning their entire Defensive Line. They credit all of the players from Tajh Boyd and OC Chad Morris Offensive Change to building on Clemson's success. Only ALA and Clemson have been so consistent the last 4 yrs.
GA would not have been in the Final Four without returning 31 Seniors including 1st Round 5 Stars Lorenzo Carter, Chubb, Michel, and Davin Bellamy. Carter was an LSU lock until his sisters changed his mind an hour before his NSD announcement. The Big Four left millions on the table but they also benefited their school with millions, brought in the Top Recruiting Class, and raised their draft stock. But they were not enough to beat the ALA Freshmen. BIG FOUR leave millions on the table to play for CFP NCG
Nick Saban rolled out 6 5-star True Freshmen in the 2nd half to beat them: Tua, RB Najee Harris, WRs Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy, and LT Alex Leatherwood. Bama has a Process and depth. 6 True Freshmen Unleashed in 2nd Half 26 Point Win
LSU wore LF and DG out in 2 yrs playing Smashmouth, run first, old school football. They played injured their Junior years. They were also the most important players on the team instead of the whole TEAM. RBs have the shortest careers in the NFL, under 3 yrs. They were injured, digressing, and needed to get away from LSU and into the NFL where they Pass 65% of the time to set up the run. They needed to get paid. LF as a Soph Sports Science Phenom: Elite Speed, Agility
re: Any news on Canada
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 12/23/17 at 10:22 am
quote:
TCU hasn't won jack shite and since they've gone to the high tempo offense their defense has gone down dramatically.
Their Record over the last 12 yrs is better than LSU's.
Their Offensive Change came in 2014. You have to remember that LSU had top Roster Talent, Top 5 over the past 5 years and won absolutely nothing, while TCU finished #3, and #7 in AP with a Roster ranked 43 and 39. The total opposite of LSU. Coaching/Offensive Scheme makes the difference. Boykin was a 3 star ATH with a national rank of 734.
Now he is working with better Talent but the Roster in 2017 was 32nd. It was Coaching and Offensive Scheme that made the difference.
Justin Rogers is their highest ranked recruit ever and at their most important position. TCU has what looks to be a Top 15 Class and the #2 DTQB, their first 5 Star* recruit ever. They will continue to be good.
Their Defense was 8th in 2014 the year they made the Offensive Change. It is 12th this year.
Patterson's philosophy is to Score Points at a high Tempo and that forces the Defense to practice at a high Tempo.
re: Any news on Canada
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 12/23/17 at 9:55 am
quote:If you really must go wake up snakes from the past then consider Orgeron's Ole Miss debacle: 3-21, fighting with coaches, players, media, and beserk profanity. Then there are the firings of Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick. USC received historic NCAA sanctions from violations under Pete Carroll while Kiffin was head coach. The sanctions came six months after Kiffin took the job and included a two-year postseason ban and a loss of 30 scholarships over three seasons. Kiffin went 28–15 under those conditions. Pete Carroll and Belichick are now coaching giants in spite their many failures. Get over it.
Kiffin ??? Legacy hire ??? Seriously ??? Ha Ha Ha Ha !!! He has been fired from every HC he has held except Tennessee because he left after one year and now FAU and he has only been there one year.
Dr. John Kelly, Florida Atlantic University's president, strides proudly into a raucous postgame locker room with the game ball tucked high and tight, just the way Lane Kiffin coaches his players to do.
Kiffin is lauded by President John Kelly, the ex-Clemson VP, for his Swinney effect. If had known this I would have hired him sooner. Kelly says that Kiffin has transformed the entire University in every way, academically, donor support, 35% increase in enrollment, 130% increase in attendance, and given the FAU untold millions in advertising, recruiting, and Kelly is committed to making FAU a Top Tier athletic program. Kiffin is expected to be the highest paid Coach outside of the P5.
Kiffin's impact has transcended football. Kelly told ESPN earlier this month that FAU's out-of-state applications for the 2018 fall semester were up 35 percent.
"And we haven't done anything else differently, so it has to be Lane," Kelly said. "He just gets it, both as a football coach and being able to attract attention to our university. I laugh just about every day at something he puts on Twitter and understand that he's about the good of the institution and is thinking about what appeals to a 17-year-old kid and not a 60-year-old guy."
Kiffin: Positive Effects of an A+ Home Run Coaching Hire and a successful Football Program
Kiffin - One of the most Compelling Figures in College Football
Out-of-State Enrollment up 35% - Main Campus 30,800 (this is more than LSU BR...FAU is growing and LSU is shrinking)
Attendance at Games up 150% - 2.5x the revenue
Recruiting - Top ranked C-USA class
Huge increase in Donor Support
Top Faculty Hires
ESPN in town and covering games = millions in free media coverage
Live TV and Social Media Coverage for Games
Dynamic Offense: 3rd highest Scoring Avg in nation
2nd Longest Win Streak in the Nation
Coaching: "Coach Kiffin has made us all believe," FAU senior running back Buddy Howell says. "People see all the stuff on Twitter, but he's about his business on the field. He's not going to keep you roped up. He's going to let you be who you want to be as long as you're on your game, on your details and taking coaching. He just wants to win, but he makes you comfortable. Everybody is comfortable with being themselves and isn't scared to go out there and execute. Sometimes, guys get uptight and play uptight, but not here and not with Coach Kiffin.
Tempo:
Scoring:
re: Any news on Canada
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 12/22/17 at 11:38 pm
It was a very strange tactic for Orgeron to publicly air his long-running grievance and uncertainty with who his OC will be and his desire to change to an even more conservative type of Offense 3 weeks before the early signing period.
Justin Rogers signs with TCU: Rogers made the obvious prudent choice. TCU knows how to utilize a DTQB and knows the difference between "duel and dual".
Orgeron, along with his designated "future OC in waiting" Steve Ensminger, went in-home with 5-star quarterback Justin Rogers. [b]Canada, not recruiting, only has one commit from July before the season.
2014: How Offense Transformed TCU & ALA into Perennial Title Threats
Patterson's Epiphany: the old philosophy of beating teams 17–13 was not competitive.
No. 6 TCU defeated No. 9 Ole Miss 42-3 to win the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl in 2014. After going 4-8 in 2013 Patterson, like Saban, realized that he had to have an up-Tempo spread offense and win the scoring battle not the defensive battle. Not only did his offense struggle to keep pace on the scoreboard with the rapid-fire offenses in the Big 12, it also couldn’t give the Horned Frogs defense an adequate look at the speed it would face in a game.
After Meacham and Cumbie arrived, the offense and the defense got better. An already excellent Horned Frogs defense went from allowing 4.8 yards a play in 2013 to 4.7 in ’14, second best in the Big 12. Meanwhile, TCU’s record improved to 12–1. The Horned Frogs just missed the College Football Playoff and finished the season by pasting Ole Miss in the Peach Bowl. For that, TCU can thank Patterson, the two coordinators he hired and their shotgun/Tempo/RPO 5 WR sets - empty backfield, no TE, or 4 WR, 1 RB.
TCU went from the 70th Scoring Offense in 2013 to the #2 in 2014 with the # 6 Passing Offense.
Boykin went from nobody to the 9th and 8th rated Passer in 2014-15 throwing for 7500+ yds, 64 TDs up from 7 in 2013, adding 17 rushing.
TCU finished #3, and #7 in AP with a Roster ranked 43 and 39. The total opposite of LSU. Coaching/Offensive Scheme makes the difference. Boykin was a 3 star ATH with a national rank of 734. Now he is working with what looks to be a Top 15 Class and the #2 DTQB, their first 5 Star* recruit ever.
2014, Kiffin: ”Saban told me, ‘we’re not headed in the right direction. This is not where college football is going. As much as he could not stand it, he would not let his stubbornness get in the way of changes that were needed.”
Kiffin installed a more up-tempo, wide-open offense, and the results were remarkable. Alabama was 40-3 and won its last 26 in a row with Kiffin calling the plays. The Tide never averaged fewer than 35 points per game, even though Kiffin worked with three totally different quarterbacks: a WR, a klutz, & a FR. Add FAU and that is 4 in 4 yrs - all winners.
Coming Soon In The New Hit Series, It's Joe Alleva as "THE SEARCH"
Orgeron's No. 1 assignment when he got the full-time LSU job a year ago was to hire a GREAT OC and delegate.
Now, after some acrimonious finger pointing he no longer can stand the OC he had to have at all cost. How embarrassing. He is supposed to be the adult who takes the blame. Some guys are good position Coaches...but not HC Program Builders.
Some ADs are competent and analytical and hire Coaches who are current and contemporary. "I Am The Search" Alleva has not made one successful FB HC hire in 20 yrs. LSU deserves the best legacy hire, not an experiment. Kiffin, Saban, Patterson, Meyer, Swinney have generated Billions in growth. FAU is the size of LSU BR now and ALA has built 62 buildings since Saban was hired. LSU is shrinking, attendance is down, prices are up. And, as of yet, there are no quarterback commitments for 2018, no Orgeron QBs, all are Miles recruits.
LSU with Orgeron is still where they started stuck in the Miles-Zone (3-4 losses, Miles averaged 3.5 since 2012) and where LSU has been for most of the last decade: looking for a pass offense, looking for an offensive coordinator who can develop a DTQB/Spread/Tempo/RPO offense...the kind to compete with ALA for NCs.
Canada has a guarantee 1.5mm through 2019 whether O likes him or not.
Canada makes more than at least 41 FBS head coaches.
Will it take more Buyout Money to resolve or will Canada and O really bury the hatchet?
Justin Rogers signs with TCU: Rogers made the obvious prudent choice. TCU knows how to utilize a DTQB and knows the difference between "duel and dual".
Orgeron, along with his designated "future OC in waiting" Steve Ensminger, went in-home with 5-star quarterback Justin Rogers. [b]Canada, not recruiting, only has one commit from July before the season.
2014: How Offense Transformed TCU & ALA into Perennial Title Threats
Patterson's Epiphany: the old philosophy of beating teams 17–13 was not competitive.
No. 6 TCU defeated No. 9 Ole Miss 42-3 to win the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl in 2014. After going 4-8 in 2013 Patterson, like Saban, realized that he had to have an up-Tempo spread offense and win the scoring battle not the defensive battle. Not only did his offense struggle to keep pace on the scoreboard with the rapid-fire offenses in the Big 12, it also couldn’t give the Horned Frogs defense an adequate look at the speed it would face in a game.
After Meacham and Cumbie arrived, the offense and the defense got better. An already excellent Horned Frogs defense went from allowing 4.8 yards a play in 2013 to 4.7 in ’14, second best in the Big 12. Meanwhile, TCU’s record improved to 12–1. The Horned Frogs just missed the College Football Playoff and finished the season by pasting Ole Miss in the Peach Bowl. For that, TCU can thank Patterson, the two coordinators he hired and their shotgun/Tempo/RPO 5 WR sets - empty backfield, no TE, or 4 WR, 1 RB.
TCU went from the 70th Scoring Offense in 2013 to the #2 in 2014 with the # 6 Passing Offense.
Boykin went from nobody to the 9th and 8th rated Passer in 2014-15 throwing for 7500+ yds, 64 TDs up from 7 in 2013, adding 17 rushing.
TCU finished #3, and #7 in AP with a Roster ranked 43 and 39. The total opposite of LSU. Coaching/Offensive Scheme makes the difference. Boykin was a 3 star ATH with a national rank of 734. Now he is working with what looks to be a Top 15 Class and the #2 DTQB, their first 5 Star* recruit ever.
2014, Kiffin: ”Saban told me, ‘we’re not headed in the right direction. This is not where college football is going. As much as he could not stand it, he would not let his stubbornness get in the way of changes that were needed.”
Kiffin installed a more up-tempo, wide-open offense, and the results were remarkable. Alabama was 40-3 and won its last 26 in a row with Kiffin calling the plays. The Tide never averaged fewer than 35 points per game, even though Kiffin worked with three totally different quarterbacks: a WR, a klutz, & a FR. Add FAU and that is 4 in 4 yrs - all winners.
Coming Soon In The New Hit Series, It's Joe Alleva as "THE SEARCH"
Orgeron's No. 1 assignment when he got the full-time LSU job a year ago was to hire a GREAT OC and delegate.
Now, after some acrimonious finger pointing he no longer can stand the OC he had to have at all cost. How embarrassing. He is supposed to be the adult who takes the blame. Some guys are good position Coaches...but not HC Program Builders.
Some ADs are competent and analytical and hire Coaches who are current and contemporary. "I Am The Search" Alleva has not made one successful FB HC hire in 20 yrs. LSU deserves the best legacy hire, not an experiment. Kiffin, Saban, Patterson, Meyer, Swinney have generated Billions in growth. FAU is the size of LSU BR now and ALA has built 62 buildings since Saban was hired. LSU is shrinking, attendance is down, prices are up. And, as of yet, there are no quarterback commitments for 2018, no Orgeron QBs, all are Miles recruits.
LSU with Orgeron is still where they started stuck in the Miles-Zone (3-4 losses, Miles averaged 3.5 since 2012) and where LSU has been for most of the last decade: looking for a pass offense, looking for an offensive coordinator who can develop a DTQB/Spread/Tempo/RPO offense...the kind to compete with ALA for NCs.
Canada has a guarantee 1.5mm through 2019 whether O likes him or not.
Canada makes more than at least 41 FBS head coaches.
Will it take more Buyout Money to resolve or will Canada and O really bury the hatchet?
re: Looks like Troy will have an 11 win season
Posted by Quid Pro Quo on 12/21/17 at 6:39 am
quote:
Another false narrative, we’ve been ranked in the teens 4 of the past 5 seasons. We haven’t been a perennial top 5 team since 07 and have been ranked in the top 10 once since 2012. Yes expectations have dropped but it happened under Miles a long time before Orgeron was HC at LSU.
Miles best Ranking year was 2011. He was fired for slipping after that year further and further behind in the SECW, particularly with ALA, for not developing a Passing Game & failure to develop QBs and a modern Offense. Revenues and attendance has fallen while Alleva has raised ticket prices. Miles had Top Recruiting Classes, 2nd in the SEC and under-performed much less talented teams because they had Better/Coaching/Offensive Schemes/QB utilization. When you under-perform your recruiting rank by 15-20 places in the Top 25 you get fired. The athletic administration is supposed to notice what works best and hire the best Coach available. In this case it was supposed to be an Offensive Coach - Tom Herman was the A+ "must hire" and we settled for a D-line good ole boy who is stuck in the 3-Loss or 4-Loss Miles Zone. IOTW we took a step back and it showed up in recruiting. Herman hit it out of the Park. Kiffin who made over ALA & FAU winning with 4 totally different QBs was an A+ hire who boosted all aspects of FAU from enrollment, donors, game attendance, recruiting, and national media coverage.
From the 2017 chart you see that by Week 5 we were Unranked and the season was over. The remaining SOS after Troy was in the 60's. A 3 loss team is not going to compete for any championships or move up or down in the polls.
"Yes expectations have dropped but it happened under Miles a long time before Orgeron was HC at LSU." Sad. The Coaching Hire was Joe Alleva's only major responsibility and he has yet to make a single significant one in 20 yrs.
Troy's Off is been far more productive and ranked in the Top 30 more times than LSU in the past 10 yrs. From a high of 16 in 2009 they are around 40 and LSU around 80. They controlled that game from start to finish.
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