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re: Hal Hughes has been removed from the starting lineup for the next 2 games
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:17 am to TriedandTrue
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:17 am to TriedandTrue
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Well you have to get other guys opportunities to hit.
Yep. Coach plays a lot of guys early in the season. Hughes will get more opportunities, the sthead is full of people overthinking a simple issue.
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:06 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
quote:Exactly.
No. I would think Cabrera is getting a day of rest, or injured. There is no way he's coming out the lineup otherwise.
quote:This is my point. So when you know the leash is short, there is plenty of reason to speculate that this is not 'experimenting', and I find that odd given that Hughes is such a known commodity.
We all know that Hughes doesn't have that type of leash
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:12 am to tigerfoot
But experimenting is exactly what is happening at this point. Coach is seeing who is going to perform in the games and to do that you need to start more than one group of nine.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 10:13 am
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:36 am to TriedandTrue
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But experimenting is exactly what is happening at this point. Coach is seeing who is going to perform in the games and to do that you need to start more than one group of nine
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:38 am to TriedandTrue
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Coach is seeing who is going to perform in the games and to do that you need to start more than one group of nine.
Yes. Of course. This doesn’t usually involve third year returning starters. That is my point. I am done.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:42 am to tigerfoot
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Yes. Of course. This doesn’t usually involve third year returning starters. That is my point. I am done.
Saying a third year starter isn't exactly true though. His freshman year, he was never intended to be a starter. He was forced into the lineup because of Josh Smith. Last season he was not a full time starter either. Broussard, Smith, Reid started more games than him. Again he was inserted more because of injury.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:09 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
quote:What are you going to learn about Hughes that you don't already know?
experimenting is exactly what is happening at this poin
That would be like experimenting with fire to see if it is always hot.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:14 am to tigerfoot
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What are you going to learn about Hughes that you don't already know?
Hughes isn't out of the lineup to learn something about Hughes. Everybody in the world knows what Hughes is at this point. He is a player who usually plays adequate defense, who is a poor hitter.
The experimenting is to see if we can find a better option, other than Hughes.
I pointed out why Hughes was thrusted into playing time in previous seasons. Now, let's take a look at this one.
Cairo was signed, and lied about his signability. He would have almost certainly been starting.
We scrambled and lucked into Arnold late. He had a rib removed. He had a chance to be the starter.
We are now on option number three to try to find better than Hughes. If this doesn't work, we will just have to accept that Hughes is our best option.
It's not for lack of recruiting a better player than Hughes. It's some unfortunate luck, combined with injuries, that has us in this situation. I'm glad they are trying to find other options, and I hope it works out.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:16 am to tigerfoot
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What are you going to learn about Hughes that you don't already know?
How he would react to going in to the season as the expected starter, a situation he's never been in before.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:20 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
quote:agreed
Everybody in the world knows what Hughes is at this point. He is a player who usually plays adequate defense, who is a poor hitter.
quote:My point would be that you don't find a better option than Hughes by playing Hughes.
The experimenting is to see if we can find a better option, other than Hughes.
quote:and he may be. I understand that 100%.
We are now on option number three to try to find better than Hughes. If this doesn't work, we will just have to accept that Hughes is our best option.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:21 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
so that experience means nothing?
He's started in over 100 games. Doesn't matter why he started, he started, and has over 500 at bats of experience between LSU and the summer leagues.
Had he not started the last 2 years, but would be the starter this year, do you think he'd be better today without that experience? It's a good thing he's had all that experience, regardless if it wasn't planned.
Here's a fun fact, until this weekend, Hal had not had a single sacrifice fly in his 340+ at bats at LSU.
He's started in over 100 games. Doesn't matter why he started, he started, and has over 500 at bats of experience between LSU and the summer leagues.
Had he not started the last 2 years, but would be the starter this year, do you think he'd be better today without that experience? It's a good thing he's had all that experience, regardless if it wasn't planned.
Here's a fun fact, until this weekend, Hal had not had a single sacrifice fly in his 340+ at bats at LSU.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:22 am to ProjectP2294
quote:In my opinion, with Hals large body of work, this would be very minimal. And anything you would learn would be quickly evaporated as soon as you sit him after one series.
How he would react to going in to the season as the expected starter, a situation he's never been in before.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:24 am to tigerfoot
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My point would be that you don't find a better option than Hughes by playing Hughes
Mainieri knows what Hughes is at this point, as already stated. If he wants to go into opening weekend, with what he probably feels is the best option against Indiana, and then test some other guys out in midweek games, wouldn't you say this is the smarter option?
You admitted yourself that Hughes might be the best option we have, although we all agree this isn't ideal. This means you aren't absolutely sold on the Mathis/Doughty combination on the left side working any better either. So why risk it costing you versus Indiana (the better team)?
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:28 am to TeddyPadillac
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so that experience means nothing?
Did I say it meant nothing?
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He's started in over 100 games. Doesn't matter why he started, he started, and has over 500 at bats of experience between LSU and the summer leagues
I think you are taking this as me knighting for Hughes, and saying that he deserves to be the starting SS. I don't think that at all, nor have I said it.
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Had he not started the last 2 years, but would be the starter this year, do you think he'd be better today without that experience? It's a good thing he's had all that experience, regardless if it wasn't planned
No I don't think he would be any better. Again, I never said otherwise. Hughes has probably reached his ceiling. It is what it is. The only question now is if he's our best option in the line up, or not. Today and tomorrow will be a step in helping figure that out.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:31 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
i'm just tired of hearing the "well he wasn't supposed to be the starter" excuse.
It's a stupid point to make.
It's a stupid point to make.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:33 am to TeddyPadillac
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i'm just tired of hearing the "well he wasn't supposed to be the starter" excuse.
It's a stupid point to make
It's the truth though.
And I'm equally as tired of hearing the "Hughes can't hit argument." It's beaten to absolute death. We all know Hughes isn't a good hitter. He's either our best option, or he isn't. We have a coach that gets paid to figure that out.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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i'm just tired of hearing the "well he wasn't supposed to be the starter" excuse. It's a stupid point to make.
I’m sorry, but if something happened to Joe Burrow going into say the SEC championship game or going into the peach bowl and he was out. Then would everyone point out that our starting quarterback isn’t playing?
Why is it stupid to say the shortstop playing right now is not who we intended to be starting?
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:13 pm to tigerfoot
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In my opinion, with Hals large body of work, this would be very minimal. And anything you would learn would be quickly evaporated as soon as you sit him after one series.
What can be learned in that specific situation is level of detail in preparation and whether or not the work ethic changes (for the good or for the bad).
It's not the on field stuff, that's where the body of work comes in to play. It's how he reacts in terms of taking a leadership role, preparing for the season, getting mentally ready, etc.
But I agree that benching him after 1 series could affect some of that.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:23 pm to RadarTiger
I think he is desparate to find an answer in CF. No clear cut starter there.
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