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re: Good win, but OL is horrible and if Brad Davis isn't to blame, then who is?
Posted on 9/21/25 at 5:14 pm to homemadeshine
Posted on 9/21/25 at 5:14 pm to homemadeshine
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We played a tomato can that took the bus over the day of the game and we destroyed them, as expected. That said, their DL destroyed our offensive line and were often untouched going into the backfield. Let's not forget, they are an FCS school and there were times the OL completely missed the defensive lineman, and other times, they just bull rushed right over our guys.
I agree with our OL not performing well but on the other hand they have also played two of the better DL's in our schedule. Therefore I dont follow the complete sky is falling scerario. You dont learn much playing against yourself in practice so hopefully we address some of these issues each week and the whole gets better.
Our problem seems to be 3 of 5 or 4 of 5 guys doing ok and one breaking down and blowing up plays. I was thinking Davis got to the point of pulling WDavis out and putting Chester in but then he got thrown out and that was that. Will be interesting to see who starts vs OM. Also Echols is pushing for that LG spot.
And you say we are getting bull rushed I dont see that. Our right side absolutely cannot handle a twist stunt and it looks like 90% of the problem is WDavis. They will see that until they show they can stop it.
This post was edited on 9/21/25 at 5:17 pm
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Posted on 9/21/25 at 5:16 pm to semjase
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We're at the point now where a short term sacrifice has to be made in order for long term success to happen
You think that firing him now will net immediate results?
Posted on 9/21/25 at 5:53 pm to docTQ4
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Just discussing my frustrations schematically and the fact we’ve done nothing to create lanes by motion, counters, or pulling OL to play the numbers game.
You're not wrong. How many times will we try to run between the tackles when various blocks are being missed or RBs can't find the holes? It very much seems like the play calling is what the OC/coaches want and not what will be successful given our OL's shortcomings.
At least they have Nuss getting under center a bit now.
Posted on 9/21/25 at 6:03 pm to docTQ4
Do you realize Vanderbilt won: 70 to 21….
I’m pretty sure those 21 points came off of the 3rd string
I’m pretty sure those 21 points came off of the 3rd string
Posted on 9/21/25 at 6:09 pm to homemadeshine
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Good win, but OL is horrible and if Brad Davis isn't to blame, then who is?
We just won 56-10 and all you can say is the OL is horrible? You don’t question our offense no matter how bad they look against a weak defense.
Disrespectfully, CBK
Posted on 9/21/25 at 6:15 pm to homemadeshine
I think it's a really good question and I don't know the answer, I'm not in meeting rooms and I'm not going over every play watching the o-line and even if I were I'm not qualified to say with certainty what the main issues are.
We had four guys who were drafted or at least picked up by NFL teams from our team last year and we struggled to run last year as well.
Is it scheme? Sloane? Davis? Someone here says an "insider" says we don't practice physicality enough so is it Kelly? All of the above and if so how much of each. Lot's of nuance here.
On paper there is talent, are the inexperinced kids overrated, is it just not enough time together for guys who have not played together much? More nuance.
We had four guys who were drafted or at least picked up by NFL teams from our team last year and we struggled to run last year as well.
Is it scheme? Sloane? Davis? Someone here says an "insider" says we don't practice physicality enough so is it Kelly? All of the above and if so how much of each. Lot's of nuance here.
On paper there is talent, are the inexperinced kids overrated, is it just not enough time together for guys who have not played together much? More nuance.
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:28 pm to homemadeshine
Did you happen to notice the difference when echols came in at left guard with the run game? It seemed better to me than with mubenga. I didn't analyze the game though
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:52 pm to homemadeshine
This needs to be his last year
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:15 am to homemadeshine
Look at last year more talent and experience but same result.....the OL coach should be watching from home.....
Posted on 9/22/25 at 5:59 am to GetmorewithLes
It takes a while for the OL to gel, lots of guys lost to the NFL last year, this was a known area of concern before the year started. Also, I think rolling Nuss out more (with occasional run) helps the line, that will help. I'll give them a few more weeks.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 6:00 am to homemadeshine
You are, get off your arse and start coaching, work your way up and save us.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 6:08 am to ecb
Rather than looking who to blame focus on how to fix
Posted on 9/22/25 at 9:18 am to homemadeshine
Does Alex Atkins work with the O line any at practice?
Posted on 9/22/25 at 9:21 am to homemadeshine
it's time for change .
Posted on 9/22/25 at 9:51 am to semjase
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He hasn't recruited jack shite; just a bunch 4* and 5* Kardell Thomas types that dominated in high school, but are overmatched mentally and physically at LSU. Overmatched and then poorly coached is a recip
I share your frustrations, brother! I want an Alabama offensive line and you know what I mean. Those boys, under Saban, were big, strong, nasty and opened up holes big enough for a cruise ship to sail through. Here we are at LSU with these so-called elite OL and we're praying we can pick up a couple of yards and four yards is considered a long run.
I'm done hearing how great Davis is as a coach and recruiter because the product on the field is the proving grounds and he's repeatedly failed game after game. If we struggled with an FCS defensive line, you can only imagine what an elite SEC defense is going to do to us!
Time to send Davis back to where he came from!
Posted on 9/22/25 at 10:00 am to MONROE
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And I agree that Davis gets abused at tackle but the only lineman that has played above average is Adams. We are an O line away from a championship but next year it will be something else.
Moore made a big mistake letting a guy get by him for a sack vs SLU, but he’s been above average, overall. We definitely missed him vs Tech.
I think Thompson has looked worse than he is playing next to Davis. At the very least, it’s hard to judge him based on the amount of chaos on that side. He constantly having to deal with confusion and missed assignments next to him. Maybe he’s not as good as we hoped, but hopefully he plays average if we can get someone else to reliably man RT.
That’s the big key right now. At least 75% of the issues are coming from Davis making so many mistakes and not improving. If they can get someone to provide average play there, the OL can at least be serviceable.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 10:10 am to docTQ4
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I 100% agree with this. Just discussing my frustrations schematically and the fact we’ve done nothing to create lanes by motion, counters, or pulling OL to play the numbers game.
If you go back to the Clemson game, we did some of this. We ran some counters. We ran outside zone and were at least able to give Durham cutback lanes to the back side for solid gains. Against Tech we ran outside repeatedly, including several jet sweeps. Vs UF we ran a couple of quick pitches to the tackles, which was a new wrinkle.
But very little of this carried from game to game. Most of what we did vs Clemson has been completely abandoned, and some of it has actually worked reasonably well. One of our best looking runs Saturday was a jet by Brown with a pulling blocker out front. Why we don’t run that at least 4 or 5 times per game and then use motion to draw the eyes of the defense to the possibility of it is absolutely beyond me. If we are better running outside, then fricking ride that shite into the ground until the defense adjusts.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 10:38 am to homemadeshine
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I agree Davis is a great recruiter, but if you can't make them better players, then landing a 4 or 5 star recruit is useless.
I think his main problem is talent evaluation. Some of the best o-lines at LSU weren't always full of 5 stars, they were just coached well and the blocking schemes weren't garbage. If you can't evaluate if that 4 or 5 star is actually what they say, then you're fricked. Add in that he can't seem to coach them up either and it's a bad combo.
This post was edited on 9/22/25 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/22/25 at 11:14 am to frankenfish
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I kinda feel sorry for BK- he had a Heisman QB but a terrible Defense that kept him out of contention, and now that it seems he's got the D fixed, he has a great pocket QB but the OL is going to be what keeps him from a championship.
He makes $10M/yr to make those hires. But it seems like the thought process is well I can sacrifice here and there to make up for it as Louisiana talent is so good. Look at special teams hire. Notre Dame fans were nearly throwing a parade when he left. But Kelly wanted to sacrifice that.
Need to have a killer instinct in all coaching hires, dont settle like they did for OC when Denbrock left.
Posted on 9/22/25 at 11:14 am to p226
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Isn’t this EXACTLY what Brian Kelly was famous for before he got hired at LSU?
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