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re: Give Your take/Opinion/Thoughts on what you think college football needs to do -Playoffs

Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:40 pm to
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I love college football but have no desire to see #1 LSU, bamer, ohio st. etc play #8 or #12 Maryland


what about #12 LSU playing # 1 Ohio St.?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:52 pm to
Well I would imagine many of our top players would leave for the draft not risking anything with 3-4 more playoff games left to play on a long shot #12 team..
Posted by mikedatyger
Orlandeaux, FL
Member since Jun 2005
4024 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 2:17 pm to
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Really no point of the conference championship game if you expand.

MONEY. You think the SEC would give up that kind of money? No.
Posted by BRich
Old Metairie
Member since Aug 2017
2262 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 3:18 pm to
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And Burrow's Bengals made the Super Bowl this year as a wild card.


Cincinnati Bengals were NOT a wild card this past year; they won the AFC North.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10455 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 3:25 pm to
Do you work for the government? A political hack?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67309 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:48 pm to
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Do you work for the government? A political hack?


No, why do you ask?

I’ve grown up attending LSU games, rarely miss a home game, but have a few fundamental issues with the way CFB currently works:
1. Rent-a-win games suck
2. The gap between the top of the G5 and the bottom of the G5 is insane and significantly larger than the gap between the top of the P5 and the top of the G5
3. Most G5 teams have zero chance at making the playoffs even if they go undefeated
4. The massive amount of teams, inequality of schedules, and subjective rankings systems makes making objective “apples to apples” comparisons of college football teams impossible while the playoff system depends entirely on making subjective comparisons of college football programs
5. Major players are opting out of marquee OOC games much like NBA stars sitting out of 1/3 of their games
6. Transfer portal and paying players has created an unsustainable and anti-competition model of constant free-agency which is undermining an already fragile sport
7. Conference realignment driven by tv deals and a few mega telecom companies has resulted in bloated, unwieldily conferences that are difficult to equitably schedule while disrupting traditional rivalries which are a major part of the sport’s identity
8. Playoff mulligans for blue blood programs have essentially neutered the “playoff atmosphere” of the regular season by rewarding losers and punishing victors by giving them an extra opportunity to be eliminated by a highly ranked opponent in a conference title game.

I think that the uniqueness in college football was due to its rivalries, traditions, and regionalism that was held back by its ludicrous post-season, which is the worst such system in all of organized sports.

Many acknowledge that the BCS period of was the height of the sport and that expanding the “playoff” from 2 teams to 4 has coincided with the sport’s decline, but I argue that it isn’t purely to blame. What has driven the decline is the system used to decide which 4 teams are in the playoff coinciding with tv deal-led conference expansion. By opening up the pool from 2 teams to 4, all it did was expose the inherent flaws of bias, lack of a real path for the G5, the insane facilities arms race, and the “championship or bust” media mentality towards covering the sport which had already taken root prior to the creation of the playoff. In my opinion, these forces were already setting CFB up for an unsustainable path which the playoff merely shining the light on it.

CFB doesn’t need to be the NFL, but there are some things that the NFL does significantly better than CFB (alcohol at games and the post-season). CFB should look to adopt some of the successful ideas from other leagues while avoiding those that have resulted in the NFL being stale and corporate. CFB needs to embrace its regionalism, tribalism, and pageantry while crafting a postseason that embraces this regionalism rather than fights against it.

College football needs:
1. To get nil and transfer portal under control
2. Increase marquee OOC games
3. Restore traditional rivalries
4. Viciously defend local collegiate traditions that are under assault by cancel culture
5. Craft its media coverage around rivalries and conference championships rather than who will make the playoffs
6. Create a new post-season system that gives a legitimate path to G5 teams, is less reliant on subjective “eye tests”, and embraces CFB’s regionalism
7. Eliminate boring “cupcake” games against FCS opponents

The current structure serves only to widen the gap between the handful of elite programs and everyone else at the expense of the sport as a whole, while Disney essentially buys a monopoly in the rights to broadcast the sport, thus controlling the flow of money of programs.

Personally, I would also like to see an end to paying players along side allowing hs students to jump straight to the minor leagues, bypassing college, if they want to get paid. The narrative about CFB players not being “paid” when they’re receiving free scholarships that cover housing, healthcare, food, tuition, etc is absolutely insulting to everyone dealing with the spiraling costs of higher ed and the student loan crisis.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 4:57 pm
Posted by rar
Member since Dec 2020
311 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 7:48 pm to
Okay we got NIL...we got the transfer portal...we got groups pooling money to attract players...you want expanded playoffs...betting is okay...what is the diff between college and pro football...not much. I cud give two shts about pro football and college is on its way out.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10455 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 7:57 pm to
I do not understand the insane craving for more government. How are more regulations going to help CFB? How would you define helping it?

I do not disagree about the portal because that has made tampering all too easy, but the real problem is scarcity created by a fraudulent financial system run by a criminal cabal and enforced on everyone by government violence.

Should not people be free to do as they please? Universities have made many millions on the backs of its “student athletes”. This has amounted to little more than a slave trade. The NCAA and all of pro sports are government-backed monopolies. Why is that?

Did you notice that all of your complaints revolve around the fake money nexus? It will never be fair whatever that is so long as there is the spurious and meretricious scarcity of fiat script. Everyone, and I am not judging everyone, is obsessed, of needs, with accumulating money. No one may ever rest as this need will never be quenched. Maybe we need to rethink our entire system and the effects it has on everyone. It has made us all debt slaves alike.

Cheers
Posted by TheBaker
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/11/22 at 8:07 pm to
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Nah expanding is a waste because there are only a few who can compete for the NC anyway. 8 teams is just muddying the water when we know who the real contenders are...its just over kill


So you’re saying it’s impossible for an 8 or say 6 to beat a 1 or 3? I personally think 8 is perfect. I believe 12 or 16 teams would support your reasoning more as far as being watered or muddied down.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20588 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 8:13 pm to
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Expand it


I would love to see a 16 team playoff like all other levels of CFB. I could get behind a 12 team playoff with teams getting byes.
I could accept either of these options, and as stated lose the conference championship games.

I know people say "four is too much", but we've got 100+ D1 teams and a dying bowl system. Teams (and fans) need something to root for, the bowls aren't it anymore.

UCF (and Ole Miss, Wisconsin, Baylor etc) would be thrilled just to get in, no matter if they lose in the first round. If Bama can run the table in the regular season, they can run the table in a 4 game postseason too if need be. And if someone gets them in an off-game, that's life.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20588 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 8:18 pm to
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Nah expanding is a waste because there are only a few who can compete for the NC anyway. 8 teams is just muddying the water when we know who the real contenders are...its just over kill



So you’re saying it’s impossible for an 8 or say 6 to beat a 1 or 3?
Go back and look at LSU's 2001 season. 8-3, potent offense, won the SEC championship and the Sugar. I don't think they beat Ohio State or Miami that year, but I'd give them a puncher's chance against either.
You see teams like that, teams without great records but also not pushovers.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67309 posts
Posted on 5/11/22 at 10:18 pm to
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Should not people be free to do as they please? Universities have made many millions on the backs of its “student athletes”. This has amounted to little more than a slave trade. The NCAA and all of pro sports are government-backed monopolies. Why is that?


If you add up how much the average student athlete is getting in the benefits of their scholarships, it’s over $100k. They’re not uncompensated. Most folks would kill for what they claim they’re a “slave” to recieve.

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Did you notice that all of your complaints revolve around the fake money nexus? It will never be fair whatever that is so long as there is the spurious and meretricious scarcity of fiat script. Everyone, and I am not judging everyone, is obsessed, of needs, with accumulating money. No one may ever rest as this need will never be quenched. Maybe we need to rethink our entire system and the effects it has on everyone. It has made us all debt slaves alike.


You are reading a lot into my analysis that isn't there. What I want is more marquee OOC games, restoration of lost traditional rivalry games, safeguarding traditional rivalries that are still being played, for all teams to have a realistic path to making the playoffs if they beat the teams on their schedules, less "eye tests" and more objective metrics to determining who should make the playoff, fewer rent-a-win games, and that hopefully, these reforms might also result in fewer blow-outs. I want a more competitive league where more games and more teams feel like they actually matter.

As for the money stuff, I just see a lot of money issues in CFB being unsustainable long term. Conferences have been realigning not based on rivalries and matchups but on tv markets. Their tv rights are all owned by Disney, and Disney bought their main competitor in CFB, Fox, and outbidded their second largest competitor CBS. Having an entire sport controlled by a single tv network just seems...like it could have some potentially negative consequences, even in the short term, especially since those tv deals are based on cable tv subscribers. Cable tv, as an industry, appears to be in the midst of a major technological shift/collapse. I don't want that to hurt college football.

As for NIL, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing on its face. What is bad is NIL in combination with unlimited transfers where the player can play right away.
That just opens the door to all kinds of bribes and tampering that, while good for some players, is really really bad for the sport as a whole. I think the arguments for NIL based on slavery are f&%king moronic, but that doesn't mean that NIL is complete hooey. Great players have always been paid under the table, and bringing black markets into the light is probably a step in the right direction.

However, it is of my opinion that players who want to be paid should be paid, and players who want an education should get one. I just think those players don't have to be in the same league together, but they are right now. The chaos of NIL and transfer portal will eventually even out into some sort of equilibrium, but I think everyone can see that the current model isn't sustainable, especially with how rosters have to be built via scholarships.

I think the fact that you jump to "big government regulations" is an absurd take. Sports leagues are not the free market, especially not a sports league made up of universities. Higher education is one of the most heavily regulated markets in the nation, and most college football teams are affiliated with public universities. To argue that any changes to a sport that already has a ton of restrictions and rules is tantamount to arguing for a big government nanny state is just...f&%king stupid. I really can't sugar coat it or even take it seriously; it's that dumb. Besides, the best and most entertaining sports leagues are built upon having shared rules, standardized schedules, revenue sharing, salary caps, and other measures which result in degrees of parity and competitiveness that simply doesn't exist in college football across all 120+ teams.

In CFB, the conferences negotiate their tv deals. Each conference has a different number of members. They each play between 7 and 9 games. The relative quality of teams in each conference varies widely between conferences as well as within individual conferences. Some conferences split their revenue equally while others (looking at you Big 12), do not. That made sense when that money was really only going to coaches' salaries, facilities, and stadiums, but now, that tv money is going to pay players. That means that some conferences have orders of magnitude more money to pay players with than others. With free and unlimited transfers, they can bribe players of these lesser programs to transfer MID SEASON! If you cannot see how that can create serious issues with competitiveness, then you are truly blind.

The reality is that college football has excelled despite its flaws. As money flowed in during the 2000's and 2010's, an unsustainable arms race for salaries and facilities took off while a single tv network slowly took over all of the broadcasting rights. College football's traditions were slowly dismantled one by one, sacrificed to satisfy woke corporate sponsors and college administrators or to please cable tv networks. Those same networks, with their focus on "championship or bust" coverage of the sport, combined with the unprecedented dominance in the playoffs by Alabama and Clemson, AND the pandora's box of free transfers and NIL have all put College Football in an unsustainable position. College Football's death is INEVITABLE if we do not reform it.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 12:32 am
Posted by dmatt2021
South LA
Member since Aug 2021
1525 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:20 am to
You want something to cheer for watch the regular season an quit trying to turn college into the NFL.What a joke of a take.So if LSU runs the table in the SEC then they should have to play 3-5 more top ranked teams to earn the right for someone to call them a champion.So they end up losing 1 game to 9-2 Alabama who they beat during the regular season already and finish with a better record and more top 10 wins and yet aren’t champs because someone thought it be cool to watch 12-16 team playoff.If you give anyone chance after chance eventually they are gonna beat the other team.That’s why 4 teams is perfect and works every year to find the true best team in the country which should be the goal.Guess I better get used to this view cause unfortunately I’m in the minority and the rest of you are gonna help the NCAA destroy all the tradition of college football and nothing gonna stop it now
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67602 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:54 am to
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I’m in the minority and the rest of you are gonna help the NCAA destroy all the tradition of college football and nothing gonna stop it now


the tradition of D-1 cfb (every other level has 16 team playoffs) is bowl games and bowls having tie ins with conferences that usually prevented determining a true #1 on the field. a 4 team playoff is not the tradition of CFB.

Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
8985 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:13 am to
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Give Your take/Opinion/Thoughts on what you think college football needs to do -Playoffs



BCS point system but with 4 teams.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67309 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:07 am to
Condense CFB from 10 conferences to 8 conferences, all of equal numbers of teams. This would also eliminate some FBS programs. The playoff is the 8 conference champs, and the first round is based on traditional bowl tie-ins rather than arbitrary rankings.

Big 10 plays Pac 12 in the Rose Bowl, SEC plays Big 12 in the Sugar Bowl, ACC plays American in the Orange Bowl, and the Sunbelt plays the Mountain West in the Fiesta.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:20 am to
Expanded to eight teams. If you cant be in the top eight, do you really deserve a chance to play for a national title.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
14182 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:25 am to
- 8 teams
- 5 conf champ auto qualifiers
- 3 at larges chosen by the BCS formula
- ranked 1-8 by BCS
- top 4 get first round home games on NYE/NYD
- semis and finals work as the current 4 team playoff works with rotating bowls hosting
Posted by Kiawah Tiger
At the beach, of course
Member since Jul 2021
171 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:15 pm to
10 teams, 9 games over 4 weeks (or more if a larger gap before final game is desired). Power 5 conference champs plus 5 best records per some legit committee (BCS committee?). 4 lowest ranked of the 10 play, 2 winners join the other 6 in an 8 team quarter, semi and finals tourney.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56717 posts
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:42 pm to
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Idk why anyone would vote against expanding to 8 teams.


We can barely find 4 teams now.
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