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re: For those of you too young to see Dale Brown era...
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:41 am to BlueDogTiger
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:41 am to BlueDogTiger
This is always the dumbest fricking comparison people make on this board.
Dale Brown definitely had his issues with x's and o's and ultra-talented teams underachieving. However, he also left LSU has the 2nd winningest coach in SEC history. He won the SEC 4 times; Took LSU to the NCAAT 14 times (including 10 in a row); and led LSU to the Final Four twice.
Brown made LSU basketball a must see event. There was time where getting a seat in the Assembly Center was MUCH more valuable than getting one in Tiger Stadium. LSU routinely played HUGE non-conf. games - Duke, UNLV, Georgetown, Arizona, Loyola-Marymount (in their heyday), Michigan, etc.
Dale Brown definitely had his issues with x's and o's and ultra-talented teams underachieving. However, he also left LSU has the 2nd winningest coach in SEC history. He won the SEC 4 times; Took LSU to the NCAAT 14 times (including 10 in a row); and led LSU to the Final Four twice.
Brown made LSU basketball a must see event. There was time where getting a seat in the Assembly Center was MUCH more valuable than getting one in Tiger Stadium. LSU routinely played HUGE non-conf. games - Duke, UNLV, Georgetown, Arizona, Loyola-Marymount (in their heyday), Michigan, etc.
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:45 am to Keltic Tiger
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. With regards to the comparison to JJ, I quote Bobby Knight: in a tight game, down to the wire " I was worried till I looked down at the other bench & saw Dale Brown sitting there
Are you serious? This was in the elite 8! We were one play away from back-to-back final fours. How about putting some context in your posts. Geez. We went to 10 straight tourneys at one point under Dale. JJ will never. Never. Ever sniff a sweet 16. An Elite 8. A final 4. 10 tourney straight dances. You're way off.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:47 am to BlueDogTiger
Why do idiots feel the need to continuity shite on Dale Brown?
We've made back to back tournaments ONCE since he left. He made it 10 straight years and 13/15.
Hell, he had a 3 year stretch with:
Sweet 16
Elite 8
Final 4
And another stretch with:
Final Four
Elite 8
We've made back to back tournaments ONCE since he left. He made it 10 straight years and 13/15.
Hell, he had a 3 year stretch with:
Sweet 16
Elite 8
Final 4
And another stretch with:
Final Four
Elite 8
Posted on 12/14/15 at 9:50 am to geauxjo
I remember Brown's teams as hustling, overachieving, talented ballplayers. They would fight you to the last tick.
That 86 team with Blanton and Donny Redden was maybe the most inspired, hard working bunch that ever played. THe 81 team may have been the best collection of talent that played as a team LSU ever had. Brown then molded them and nearly won the whole thing.
Dale Brown was not a bad coach at all. You knew you were gonna have to play and play well along with outworking his teams to win.
That 86 team with Blanton and Donny Redden was maybe the most inspired, hard working bunch that ever played. THe 81 team may have been the best collection of talent that played as a team LSU ever had. Brown then molded them and nearly won the whole thing.
Dale Brown was not a bad coach at all. You knew you were gonna have to play and play well along with outworking his teams to win.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:07 am to Keltic Tiger
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Dale could not win the SEC when UK was on probation & UGA & Vandy won it instead
Dale won the SEC 4x at LSU
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:07 am to BlueDogTiger
quote:
BlueDogTiger
quote:
You are witnessing the second era.
Nah I am witnessing a poster who has zero fricking clue what he is talking about.
I want JJ to succeed. JJ is not Dale Brown, we could only hope he was at this point. Very disappointing where the basketball program is at right now.
Dale built LSU basketball. If you don't think or know or realize that, you are a fool.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:11 am to PiscesTiger
quote:This x 1000 f' "Robert Night"
NO question (with '90 Vanderbilt coming in 2nd).
Knight should have been ejected the moment he slammed that telephone at the scorer's table.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:14 am to geauxjo
quote:
JJ will never. Never. Ever sniff a sweet 16. An Elite 8. A final 4. 10 tourney straight dances. You're way off.
I honestly hope you are dead wrong, but I feel you are 100% right.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:19 am to Roses of Crimson
quote:
I remember Brown's teams as hustling, overachieving, talented ballplayers. They would fight you to the last tick.
Dale Brown was not a bad coach at all. You knew you were gonna have to play and play well along with outworking his teams to win.
This is correct. Dale's teams played with heart and intensity. No doubt. But it's also true that Dale was not a good x and o coach. He got by more on getting max effort from his players rather than tactics on the court.
What I think the OP is saying is that JJ is not a good game tactician either.
But unlike Dale, JJ doesn't get max effort or intensity from his players. JJ looks asleep on the sidelines, and Dale never did.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:22 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
Pardon me for butting into an LSU thread, but CDB was 153,000 times the coach CJJ is. Dale and his teams were respected, conference-wide and nation-wide.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:24 am to BlueDogTiger
quote:
You are witnessing the second era.
This second era we are experiencing now is much, much worse.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:41 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:Not quite true, Brown was merely average with top talent (the team would not mesh). With great players he'd have a team that could beat anyone on a given day, but succumb to a better "team" when it counted. He couldn't get the top players to forget their egos and stats.
Dale may have been better but he severely under achieved with the talent he had as well.
But with "average" players, Brown was brilliant. He made tourney runs with hustling nobodies, guys who had no egos and would do what they were asked to do without hesitation or concern about stats.
If Brown was coaching this team (one good player who is completely selfless and a bunch of scrubs), we'd probably be undefeated.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:50 am to Scoob
Anybody still doubting Dale Brown needs to look at his record and accomplishments. If you are still not convinced, watch the ESPN Dale and Shaq piece.
That being said, I would be happy to have CDB right now. What I see from CJJ is terrible.
That being said, I would be happy to have CDB right now. What I see from CJJ is terrible.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:57 am to atltiger6487
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Dale's teams played with heart and intensity.
You don't take a bad basketball program such as LSU was before Brown, 2 NCAA bids since bids were passed out, to 2 final 4's, 4 elite 8's, 5 sweet 16's, and 14 tourney bids on "heart and intensity" alone without a reasonable ability in X&O coaching.
Why some want to knock Brown cause he wasn't always to get elite players to play like elite players has always been a mystery to me. Some act like Brown was the only coach in the country to ever have such a problem.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:04 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
Dale may have been better but he severely under achieved with the talent he had as well.
This is true. It's also true he dramatically over achieved with talent he had.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:37 am to LSUgrad88
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His 1987 team started Darryl Joe, Anthony Wilson, Nikita Wilson, Bernard Woodside and Oliver Brown (the common factor with all these guys, though Anthony and Nikita were damn good players, is they never played a game in the NBA). That team lost in the elite 8 to the eventual national champion Indiana, in what I have always believed was the biggest rim job any LSU team in any sport has gotten from the refs. Dale was a miracle worker with that team.
That game is still the only sporting event I have ever walked out of mad. Not just disappointed, mad. There is no reason Bobby Knight wasn't thrown out of that game, other than he and the 18,000 Hoosier fans intimidated the refs.
GEAUX TIGERS
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:41 am to BlueDogTiger
JJ era is nothing like the Brown era. At one point LSU had one of the longest streaks in making the tourney.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:52 am to danfraz
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Dale built LSU basketball. If you don't think or know or realize that, you are a fool.
He also destroyed it. He left LSU bb in shambles and probation. He was a great motivator and his real success was when he had Huckabee and Tex Winter on the bench, X and O guys. You can say what you want but the best X and O guy LSU has ever had was Brady. Brady with Treloar and Kermit was as good as we have ever seen. JJ needs a bench X and O guy he will listen to. I am not sure what happened with Treloar but that was a big loss.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:04 pm to BlueDogTiger
Say what you want you Dale Brown haters. At least Dales teams played defense, played hard and competed for every loose ball, and we're tough as nails.
Can't say that about any group since Dale.
Can't say that about any group since Dale.
Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:19 pm to BlueDogTiger
Dale Brown's teams went to the NCAA tournament 10 consecutive times, and 13 overall. Compare with the likely outcome of this season.
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 12:20 pm
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