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re: For those criticizing the offensive scheme...

Posted on 10/10/22 at 5:11 am to
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
45972 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 5:11 am to
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Well we don't score a lot

and rarely show any inclination to do so - we start trying to run out the clock on opening ko.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4328 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 5:35 am to
Everybody is going to give you a reason and most likely it won’t really be scheme. Got to have a reason to deflect blame from JD. Is it all JD? No, but this offense is limited when he won’t let it fly downfield. Denbrock can do a better job but it’s not all his fault either.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13508 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 5:39 am to
Here’s the thing

Daniels is not a qb that is going to be comfortable sitting in the pocket for long. He clearly likes to run.

I’ve watched all of the games and have noticed that on several of Daniels’ runs, there are open receivers. They’re so open that they get visibly frustrated.

Seems to me that Daniels has a quick internal clock. If he hasn’t thrown by 2 seconds, he runs. I think he would just rather run so he really only looks for his first read.

That being the case. Rather than hope for Daniels to change his style, change the passing game to a lot more short routes that develop quickly. Give Daniels short drops. 2-3 receivers and a rb with several options on shallow routes so he doesn’t have to stand on the pocket more than 2 seconds.

It won for work for good opponents but it’ll be more effective overall.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84195 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 6:24 am to
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Well we don't score a lot
The problem with this board summarized perfectly.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4328 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:04 am to
The problem with a lot of the short routes ( but not all ) is, he doesn't throw on time and if that's all you throw, the DB'S will sit on those routes and it's gonna be a pick 6 ( they almost got one Saturday when a DB undercut an out route but missed picking it ). He waits until the WR is out of their break to see if they are wwwiiidddeee open, then he throws it, by then, the DB has enough time to recover and contest the pass, break it up or JD misses. When you start simpifying you become more predictable.
Posted by ulmtiger
Member since Jan 2008
2164 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:05 am to
Look I’m not a fan of Daniels but I know he can throw the long ball as I have seen tape of him playing at arizona state. Until we begin spreading the field and defense this game will be all about the success of Daniels at qb. So far play calling seems to follow the lines of a Cincinnati team that daniels would have fit well in and probably would be receiving accolades in that conference. Denbrook is over his head in the sec, so far. I hope he figures this out. soon. Otherwise, Kelly will have to take the blame.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13508 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:35 am to
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When you start simpifying you become more predictable.


For sure

The shortened passing game is not guarantee but it’s what would suit Daniels more than the slower routes and deep drop backs.

Again, I watched 3 plays on Saturday and several in other games where receivers were open but Daniels took off running. This Saturday, the receivers were visibly frustrated
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
24435 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:50 am to
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... what do you believe we are doing wrong?


The same thing that Texas was doing wrong from the second half of the Bama game and before the OU game. Not having a QB the caliber of Ewers.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
30807 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:55 am to
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The game in the SEC is just too fast for JD. He isn't constantly seeing huge windows to throw into like the PAC 12. He's now having to throw into smaller windows against defenders that have faster closing speeds with tighter coverage and he doesn't have confidence to make those throws. He's trying so hard not to be the reason they lose, that he's not being the reason they win. I think he's good enough but he needs to settle down and just play football. Right now, he's not mentally ready to lead LSU.


this is spot on. the game is too fast for him and he panics/runs.
Posted by rar
Member since Dec 2020
326 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:01 am to
It's not the scheme...it's the players. Until the offensive line is vastly improved nothing is going to work worth a sht....if you think it's a JD problem you are wrong.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4328 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:30 am to
I agree
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15459 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:35 am to
I think the scheme is fine. Personnel is the issue.

For example, if this team had a bunch of 5*'s across the OL nobody would say a word because they'd be much better.

All of a sudden the "stone age" thought regarding the offense would go away because people wouldn't have to come up with lazy takes to bitch about.
Posted by TNTigerman
James Island
Member since Sep 2012
11333 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:57 am to
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We got into the red zone today in the second quarter, JD was throwing pretty will on this drive. 1st and 10 and we hand it off. 2nd and 11 and we hand it off again.

Yeah, that was just dumb.
Posted by kobsa
Tampa, FL
Member since Dec 2021
176 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:05 am to
Unfortunately, our offensive woes aren't just scheme related in my opinion. There is is scheme aspects: simplistic, predictable running plays (we have one RB play it appears), wrong play calls for defense or situation, wrong players filling certain positions in the play, lack of real RPOs given the starting QBs running ability and defense's style of play against what they expect/what we are actually running, and lack of downfield throws; lack of confusion-creating alignments, movement (every offense should have a certain level of deception integrated into as many plays as possible to keep defense off-balance/guessing which slows down their play speed). All that is "scheme" related in my view.

Other causes of woes, QB: his inaccuracry on many simple throws, lack of ability to read defense and adjust blocking scheme to account for it, throw hot routes based on expected pressure, apprehension in throwing the ball in many circumstances, inability to throw timing passes, rarely comfortable just taking what the defense gives him IOT get yards. Those are big QB related things for me.

OL related: missed blocking assignments and poor run blocking.

WRs, TEs: dropped passes on catchable balls and poor blocking.

All these factors combined, anemic offensive production.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 9:23 am
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
5942 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:07 am to
THIS^^^
Posted by Alvin3176
Member since Jan 2020
148 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 2:26 am to
"For example, if this team had a bunch of 5*'s across the OL nobody would say a word because they'd be much better".

That's not true! Being a 5 star doesn't mean you will play better. Look at Texas A&M. Full of 5 stars!!
Posted by GBFTL 8yr75gm
Member since Aug 2022
209 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 2:44 am to
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QB can’t do what offensive coordinator is trying to do. Long routes that take time to develop, which is hindered by a makeshift overmatched o line. Daniels cannot make the quick read, and throw to a receiver before that receiver makes his break, and he does not have time to wait for the guy to get open bc oline can’t hold long enough.
Kelly-Denbrock looking like Miles-Cameron 2.0.

Square Peg Round Hole.

Denbrock forcing Jayden Daniels to run the Walker Howard Offense

It doesn't fit but irrationally try to force it anyway due to ego and stubbornness..........

Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
2669 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:39 am to
2019 Burrow might have scored 40 but not 2018 Burrow. JD is in a new system with new coaches and new players. Just like Burrow in 2018.
Posted by ThatTigerGuy
Pensacola
Member since Dec 2018
97 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:53 am to
Watch Ole Miss offense. Very creative. Very unpredictable. You never know where they are coming from.
LSU's? Not so much. I am on the Nuss Bus.
Posted by pitchandcatch27
Huntsville,AL
Member since Jul 2018
3128 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:49 am to
Paralysis by Analysis. JD needs to run a fast-paced offense. When we run at a faster pace where JD does not have to think as much, we do a lot better. The plays are slow coming in. I see so much confusion and indecision in his eyes. He just does not look comfortable. LSU is in a world of hurt if the coaches do not see this. When he has to think more the play goes to $hit. RPO at a faster pace.
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