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Posted on 5/11/24 at 8:54 am to Tigerfan14
Agree 100%! Jones failed to move to his left to catch the ball. It wasn't a good throw, but a good defensive 1st baseman moves his feet to the left and makes the catch, no matter where the base runner is... the fielder has the right to catch the throw, no matter where the baserunner is.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 8:56 am to tigersbb
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Its the first baseman's job to always anticipate a bad throw from any position. It doesn't excuse the player making the bad throw. By placing the same side foot as his throwing hand he extends the catching radius and erases the potential error or minimizes its effect.
Dude, just stop. You have no clue what you are talking about
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:00 am to MOT
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The reason you see so many people do it like that is because in that situation they’re doing it correctly and you’re the one who is wrong. This is pretty basic.
The only time might be a thro directly down the first base line from the plate area. Regardless it is absurd for a first baseman to give up about an extra foot of radius which might allow a fast runner to beat the throw. What you are suggesting is for the first baseman to stand like cigar store Indian and hope the throw is not beyond his reduced range which is exactly what happened. The throw was off target but Jones could have easily caught it if he had positioned properly.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 12:01 pm to tigersbb
In a bunt situation (or where the ball is hit similar to a bunt) the proper mechanics is to have left foot on the bag. It allows for better mobility and keeps the first baseman protected from having to turn with his back into the path and getting trucked.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 12:29 pm to Tigerfan14
Posted on 5/11/24 at 12:37 pm to Cuz413
Turner never got back to the line. Ever
The bama player clearly got to the line before any interference occurred
Here are his last three steps, all clearly on the line.
And here is the rule showing you it does not matter when the runner gets back to the line as long as no previous interference occurred
The bama player clearly got to the line before any interference occurred
Here are his last three steps, all clearly on the line.
And here is the rule showing you it does not matter when the runner gets back to the line as long as no previous interference occurred
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However, it is not required for the runner to be within the runners lane the entire time up to 1st base. The runner may enter the lane at the 50’ mark, the 60’ mark or even the 80’ mark as long as both feet have established themselves within the lane, and no interference with the throw or catch has occurred up to this point in time.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 1:16 pm to tigersbb
That's coaching. Fire Yeskie now
Posted on 5/11/24 at 1:16 pm to tigersbb
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The right handed first baseman should have had his right foot on the bag
Yes after he saw where the ball was thrown.
I may be wrong here, but I always thought that if given time the first baseman should put both heels against the bag and face the player throwing v the ball from the infield and only react to the throw by stepping into cstch the ball.
In the case of this play the step would have been to the left with his left foot; however, if the throw was towards the second baseman he would leave his left foot on the base and step right as needed.
There is no predetermined foot on the bag.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 1:24 pm to tigersbb
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Its the first baseman's job to always anticipate a bad throw from any position
On a throw coming from short or second, that makes more sense. However, this throw would have pulled him into a massive collision with the runner.
I played both catcher and first, I always tried at both positions to be able to adjust to throws, but that one was tough.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 1:33 pm to tigersbb
Jones played it exactly how he was supposed to play it for that throw. Anyone that says different doesn’t know anything about fundamentals of a first baseman play defense. He played it exactly like it’s taught from youth ball on. It was a bad throw. Not Jones fault at all.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 1:35 pm to tigereye58
People are idiots. The correct play is stand on the second base side of the bag. Because there is a shite ton of room. Milazzo gagged the throw to the dugout side.
Now, jones didn’t make a great attempt but it’s 100% on Milazzo
Now, jones didn’t make a great attempt but it’s 100% on Milazzo
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 1:50 pm to tigersbb
Jones was fine, in good position to receive a throw. Look at the throwing lane presented... Milazzo is on the grass halfway between the mound and the baseline.
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The problem is Milazzo threw it sidearm and rushed, and it sliced to the right. See how far over it crossed.
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It's hard to tell with the still image, but that's the ball to the right of Jones' glove, right at the white chalk baseline.
In theory, Jones could have caught it, IF he had set up to take the ball in foul territory. Which IS the normal way to take it from the catcher, on something like a 3rd strike in the dirt. But the fact that Milazzo was halfway to the pitchers mound makes for a different angle, and the throw should have been at the bag or inside.
I do think maybe Jones could have stood with his right foot on the bag to give a better angle, stretching towards the mound. But that wouldn't have helped on Milazzo's throw.
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[/url] It's hard to tell with the still image, but that's the ball to the right of Jones' glove, right at the white chalk baseline.
In theory, Jones could have caught it, IF he had set up to take the ball in foul territory. Which IS the normal way to take it from the catcher, on something like a 3rd strike in the dirt. But the fact that Milazzo was halfway to the pitchers mound makes for a different angle, and the throw should have been at the bag or inside.
I do think maybe Jones could have stood with his right foot on the bag to give a better angle, stretching towards the mound. But that wouldn't have helped on Milazzo's throw.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 2:00 pm to tigersbb
You guys have WAY too much time on your hands.
Y’all know it is possible for both to have made a mistake?
Y’all know it is possible for both to have made a mistake?
Posted on 5/11/24 at 2:09 pm to Scoob
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Jones could have caught it, IF he had set up to take the ball in foul territory.
I'm sure the guy running straight at him had something to do with him not fully extending.
It was catchable if Jones adjusts better, but I'm not sure he could without getting destroyed.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 2:21 pm to lsupride87
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The bama player clearly got to the line before any interference occurred
Here are his last three steps, all clearly on the line.
The middle photo clearly shows that if Jones had hi right foot on the inside corner of the bag he could have easily stretched and caught the throw before it ever reached the base path.
It could still be argued there was interference by the runner who was out of the running lane at the time Milazzo made the throw. There was no interference with the catch as he had gotten back to legal position by then.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 2:26 pm to tigersbb
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The right handed first baseman should have had his right foot on the bag which would have allowed for him to stretch further and possibly catch the ball. That is a basic fundamental but I see this improper footwork frequently by today's players. I would like to see a a clear video of the play but it sure seems like he could have caught it using proper mechanics.
No he had the correct foot on the base which was his left but it looks like his foot was in the middle of the base which is a no no in that instance. His left foot should of been on the corner of the base, the corner closest to home plate.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 2:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm sure the guy running straight at him had something to do with him not fully extending.
It was catchable if Jones adjusts better, but I'm not sure he could without getting destroyed.
You just made my point. Had he set up with his right foot on the bag he would have been able to stretch and catch the ball inside the field of play before it ever reached the foul line. The only time the runner became an issue on the catch was when Jones" only play was across the bag into foul territory because of wher he set up to begin with.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 2:50 pm to tigersbb
Ed O 2.0 directing the clown show
Posted on 5/11/24 at 2:58 pm to ramchallenge
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It wasn't a good throw, but a good defensive 1st baseman moves his feet to the left and makes the catch, no matter where the base runner is... the fielder has the right to catch the throw, no matter where the baserunner is.
This is a joke I hope. MLB first basemen don’t hang on to that throw all of the time. He practically had to face plant into the runners knees to catch the ball. Could have been caught? Sure would have been tremendous. Should it have been caught? Hell no
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