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re: Even Urban Meyer agrees that it's not worth scheduling a marquee non conf game

Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:32 pm to
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Its simply using logic to say why increase the risk of a loss


Avoiding the risk of a loss is nothing but a high brow way of saying afraid to compete

Clemson lost to Georgia last year plus 2 conference games and made the playoff. The circumstances for each team will differ each year so a blanket avoidance of any big OOC game is not necessary, also you could you know win that game like Georgia did.

You are basing this on hypotheticals and worst case scenarios. Ohio St this year may prove to be an exception (2 loss didn’t win conference) than the rule, this year seems like a down year, no really great teams. They made the 4 team playoff in 2016 when they did not win their division because of SOS which was boosted by beating Oklahoma on the road. You never know

ETA I will say LSU playing these big games away from home week 1 every year is stupid. In 2019 we played Texas week 2 (still on the road ) but it would be nice to mix in a scrub opener week 1 or even week 0 for a change

This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 12:39 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:31 pm to
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If Ohio St. plays Georgia last year to open the season, loses, and ultimately goes 9-3 they very well may not have made the CFP.


I just realized the flaw in this analysis. Its only look ant 1 part of the equation Ohio State did make the playoff last now if you are assuming with 3 losses they don’t, who goes instead? The first team out based on the rankings as they were (with Ohio St 10-2) was 9-3 Alabama. Would Ohio St definitely be behind Bama if both were 9-3? In this hypothetical they would have lost to UGA who Bama beat so probably Bama gets in but what if Ohio St had played and lost to Texas or Notre Dame?

If what if Ohio beats UGA? UGA with 3 losses still gets in since they won the SEC
Posted by LSUGrad9295
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 1:37 pm to
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Even Urban Meyer agrees
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Avoiding the risk of a loss is nothing but a high brow way of saying afraid to compete


No, it's simply saying there is no greater benefit to winning that game than if you beat the worst D-1 school in the country. The committee showed you strength of schedule was largely irrelevant. Neither Indiana nor SMU beat a single team in the CFP top 25. Alabama beat 2 as did South Carolina and Ole Miss. That greater SOS didn't help them. The committee made it clear ALL that matters is your overall record. How you got there is irrelevant. So why unnecessarily increase the risk of a loss (and I think all would agree playing @ Clemson is a tougher game than playing at home vs. Ball St) when you know the SEC schedule will be difficult and you could just take Indiana's path? Play no one in the non-conf schedule, get blown out in the only game you play against a ranked conf. opponent, yet still make the CFP. If Indiana plays Mizzou last year, loses, then has their EXACT same record in the Big 10 to finish 10-2 overall do they make the CFP? Probably not because that would have essentially made them Miami (who didn't make the CFP at 10-2).

I don't think it is good for college football to incentivize major conf programs playing OOC games against weak competition...but that is what the CFP committee essentially signaled power conf. team should do. Make certain you win all of your OOC games, even if that means playing 3-4 bad teams, to leave yourself enough room for error in conf. play
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 2:11 pm to
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Who cares?

& Ohio State plays Bama in 27/28 (not week 1). UGA in 30/31. There is a reason these schools are choosing to do this. Is it simply financial? (Due to rev share) Do the coaches want cupcakes on the schedule?


Those home & home series were set in 2020 (Alabama) and 2019 (Georgia), respectively. Well before we got to see how a 12 team CFP selection would work. We will see if they actually go forward. Georgia and UCLA canceled a home and home that was supposed to start this season. Georgia replaced UCLA with Marshall.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 2:12 pm
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 2:15 pm to
I hope so.

2030 UGA currently has Clemson, Ohio State, & GA Tech non-conference
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 2:24 pm to
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Because the committee doesn’t care about strength of schedule only record.
False
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 5:54 pm to
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 6:56 pm to
Well, he would know. UF hasn't played anyone OOC on the road in 30 years, exluding bowl and conference games. Always stayed in state. I think they played at Syracuse in 1998
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Posted by nwallb9
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:50 pm to
I see both sides of this argument. Better competition brings out the best in your team. But also you can easily screw up your playoff ranking with an extra Loss to a team you didn’t need to play out of conference.
Posted by Underteaux
Member since Feb 2024
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:58 pm to
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You’re opening with Texas next year. Why?” Meyer asked. “Other than it’s great for the game, it’s good for the fans, it’s good for the players
So a bunch of reasons that make the game great…?

Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:07 pm to
This line of thinking is how all the money for NIL is going to dry up. The matchups and marquee non-conference games are one of the things that make CFB great. Stop taking away the things that people with the money want to see in the sport.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:19 am to
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Avoiding the risk of a loss is nothing but a high brow way of saying afraid to compete


This line of thinking is idiotic considering half the playoff field didn’t have a single impressive win all year.
Posted by Recoveringcajun
Banjo country
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:56 am to
The premise of this thread is indicative of such a loser attitude.

Beat the best to be the best. Getting into the playoffs because one demonstrated an ability to beat cupcakes is such a Gen Z participation trophy attitude.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:59 am to
That's cause Urban is a pussy.
Posted by OJsLifeCoach
NYC
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:20 am to
I'm all for more marquee matchups but it's gotta be consistent across the board.

Nobody should be playing an SEC schedule along with other top OOC teams while notre dame plays service academies and g5 schools with no conference championship at the end.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16499 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:44 am to
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No, it's simply saying there is no greater benefit to winning that game than if you beat the worst D-1 school in the country. The committee showed you strength of schedule was largely irrelevant.


This past year.....if anything history has shown us things like this can change significantly from year to year and are more likely to than not.

So all the teams scrambling to convert to easy Ole Miss type cupcake OOC schedules in the coming years may well get penalized for it in the future.
Posted by Jim Hopper
Ocean Springs Mississippi
Member since Sep 2019
3575 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:54 am to
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Ehhh, if SMU beats Clemson, then 9-3 Bama is in over 10-2 Miami. (I think 9-3 SC deserved it more though)
even though we will have no idea of knowing that, I think Miami gets in over bama. That 3 touchdown loss to a 6 win Oklahoma team and vandy loss was the nail in the coffin for them.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:10 am to
Idk, when has lsu ended the regular season outside the top 10 and been a legitimate contender?lsu has always had one of the toughest schedules nationally.I personally don’t think it’s that big of a deal, if they are good they should win some big games and at least make a top 10 playoff spot, if they can’t do that they should be there IMO.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
11347 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:17 am to
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even though we will have no idea of knowing that


Final rankings had bama at 11 & Miami at 13
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