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re: Educate me on rules
Posted on 11/9/25 at 7:27 pm to Bayou
Posted on 11/9/25 at 7:27 pm to Bayou
The ball is spotted where the player begins the slide. In this case it was short of the line to gain. IMO this is one of many many retarded rules in football. There are way too many rules that are left to judgement.
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 7:29 pm to scorb
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It was odd for the officials to check the replay. It seems like that should have been a challenge flag kind of play.
First, every play is looked at and second, there is no "challenge flag" in college football.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 7:35 pm to Nutriaitch
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ust looked it up … 1985
2021 they added wording to include “simulated slides” to cover the Kenny Picket play.
But the rule itself has been in existence since 1985 and the sliding player is down where they initiate the slide because that’s where they are “giving themselves up”
Posted on 11/9/25 at 9:12 pm to Nutriaitch
the rule was put in place to prevent QB (or any runner for that matter) from getting obliterated just before or right at their knees hitting the ground.
A sliding player is down where they begin the slide and give themselves up.
before Kenny Pickett, i don’t guess anyone faked it, so the rule was always around actually sliding.
now it includes fake slides
A sliding player is down where they begin the slide and give themselves up.
before Kenny Pickett, i don’t guess anyone faked it, so the rule was always around actually sliding.
now it includes fake slides
Posted on 11/9/25 at 9:14 pm to JiminyCricket
quote:this. Now the ball on the two, we got screwed. But 98 or 80 are about the same to us. Hell first and goal is tough to stay in fg position
Unfortunately it was a mistake from a young player. The call was correct that the player is considered “down” at the point where he slides and “gives himself up.”
Posted on 11/9/25 at 9:20 pm to Jenar Boy
The slide in general is a stupid rule altogether when applied to a ball carrier, especially in college. Just treat it like a normal run. If he slides he is down where his body touched same as a RB/WR. If the defense gives him a shot, penalize them, same as you would any other ball carrier.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 9:23 pm to JiminyCricket
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Unfortunately it was a mistake from a young player. The call was correct that the player is considered “down” at the point where he slides and “gives himself up.”
We need a more specific explanation. Does “giving yourself up” mean the point where your “hips start to drop”, or where your butt and knees hit the ground and start to slide, because it seems to me like it’s always been marked where the slide starts. At full running speed, the difference in the two can be a yard or more.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 9:54 pm to Bayou
1 of many F ups
Posted on 11/9/25 at 10:17 pm to Bayou
The slide has to start past the line to gain. They said once his hips start to drop that's where the ball is dead. Not where he lands on the turf. If he dives instead of slides its where the ball is when he touches down. But that would open him up to getting hit while going down. Where as a slide he is protected from taking a hit.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 10:20 pm to Bayou
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I've been a player and student of this game called football for a long time but never have heard of something that I saw last night.
One of MVB's early plays saw the pocket collapse and he bolts upfield for a first down. He slides 2 yards past the line to gain. Officials review and rule him down where they determined his hips were starting to lower??? Shy 1/2 yard from first down! Next play procedure (of course) and we never do get a first.
I take it y'all have seen this before??? That has got to be the worst rule in this game.
Yes. I called it real time.
I can't remember the player but a few years ago the QB pretended to slide and then when the defense pulled up he kept running.
The rule has been this way for a few years. It was the correct call.
On another note, MVB doesn't need to be sliding anyway. He finally gets his chance and made a business decision that cost us a drive.
Posted on 11/9/25 at 10:23 pm to SlickRick55
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Does “giving yourself up” mean the point where your “hips start to drop”, or where your butt and knees hit the ground and start to slide, because it seems to me like it’s always been marked where the slide starts.
Exactly, he may have started the hip drop (vertically) before the line to gain, but he was aiming at and landed beyond the line to gain... strange rule
This post was edited on 11/9/25 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 11/9/25 at 11:48 pm to Bayou
Its the rule if the qb gives himself up(a slide) the ball is placed down where he starts to slide motion. He is protected at this point not to be hit by the defender w/out a penalty being called. If he goes head first its where he lands down , but he is also able to be hit by the defenders
It was a mistake on MVB's part it happens.
Of all the penalties and bad plays this is at the end of the list
It was a mistake on MVB's part it happens.
Of all the penalties and bad plays this is at the end of the list
Posted on 11/10/25 at 6:19 am to uptowntiger84
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The slide has to start past the line to gain. They said once his hips start to drop that's where the ball is dead. Not where he lands on the turf. If he dives instead of slides its where the ball is when he touches down. But that would open him up to getting hit while going down. Where as a slide he is protected from taking a hit.
While the rule is meant to protect and lessen injuries it sort of promotes injury. If you want the first down crash it. Concussions don't matter, right?
This game traditionally has been about movement of the football - what point can you advance it to.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 6:40 am to Bayou
The rule states the ball will be placed where the runner begins his slide. So, if he starts to drop that is where the ball is placed. I didn't like the spot but I know for a fact that we were teaching it on 3rd and 4th down to dive for the first down and not slide unless you are past the first down. Its hairy but he really should have dove or run for another yd or two and then slid. But the coaches have been teaching diving for the first down on those situations.
Thats nit picking though. The spot is what it is. We shouldn't have false started on the next play which is the bigger issue.
Thats nit picking though. The spot is what it is. We shouldn't have false started on the next play which is the bigger issue.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 6:41 am to lsumailman61
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Except the Ref cheated him.
Yeah, the spirit of the rule was raped in that instance. That was downright stupid taking away the first down there, no other way to look at it.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 6:44 am to Bayou
There were two screw job calls during the game. Where the hips start to lower seems pretty subjective to me and also the downed punt call where it was obvious the ball crossed the goal line and they pretended to only have one angle to view.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 6:48 am to Bayou
It was the right call but unfortunately it actually got applied correctly on that play. In other situations refs just say frick it and put the ball in the general area of the slide.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 6:50 am to liquid rabbit
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SEC (Bama) refs make up shite as they go along.
Close but not exactly- The correct statement is SEC refs cheat for their favorite teams Bama and UGA in order to keep the higher ranked team winning to keep SEC teams ranked highly.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 6:53 am to Sofaking2
I think that’s more of the issue folks have. They put us on speed dial for reviews when we were getting some rhythm . You will never convince me that Bama would have received the same treatment .
Posted on 11/10/25 at 6:55 am to Nutriaitch
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before Kenny Pickett, i don’t guess anyone faked it, so the rule was always around actually sliding. now it includes fake slides
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