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re: Does anyone still believe that Jeremy Hill is/was a better back than Fournette?
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:50 am to catholictigerfan
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:50 am to catholictigerfan
I just hope he ends up with the Saints. I liked the huge run to start the game yesterday as opposed to Ingram's typical 1-yard run to start the Saints' season.
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Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:50 am to catholictigerfan
That's exactly what I am saying.
Being in the Heisman talk is meaningless. Some of the best players in the nation aren't included for different reasons. Hype, touches, team success(or lack thereof).
because its fricking important. & meaningful
Being in the Heisman talk is meaningless. Some of the best players in the nation aren't included for different reasons. Hype, touches, team success(or lack thereof).
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You are running with this YPC thing.
because its fricking important. & meaningful
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:51 am to Lester Earl
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LF had a game for the ages, no doubt. As great as he was he still left yards on the table. Missed a few holes & cutbacks. That shite matters against good defenses.
You're one of those football idiots who act like they know wtf they're talking about
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:53 am to Tiger1242
well, what am I wrong about?
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:55 am to Tiger1242
All I know is, I have never been amazed by any LSU running back's abilities like I was yesterday.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:56 am to catholictigerfan
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You are saying Hill, who was never in the Heisman conversation is on the same level as a running back who was in the top 3 of Heisman voting all 3 years he was in college?
Heisman is a joke of an award and a horrible way to gauge how good a RB is.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:00 am to stout
yeah look at last year for great refutation to the heisman argument
melvin gordon set the NCAA single game rushing record (it was broken later) and had 2k yards on a low-loss team
no heisman
and if you want to get real bonkers, we can throw mark ingram's heisman year in there for good measure
melvin gordon set the NCAA single game rushing record (it was broken later) and had 2k yards on a low-loss team
no heisman
and if you want to get real bonkers, we can throw mark ingram's heisman year in there for good measure
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:03 am to Lester Earl
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Missed a few holes & cutbacks.
This happens to all running backs. The line of scrimmage is dynamic, and no one can make every play.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:04 am to Bmath
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This happens to all running backs.
yes, but not equally.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:06 am to Lester Earl
stats are more overrated than the Heisman. They don't take into account, era, type of team, who the teams played, etc.
Awards are based on the eye test, who based on their success on the field is the most talented playre in the country. There may be some reason players are left out, but awards are a better messure than stats, which can be extremely misleading if used the right way.
Classic example in this argument.
Bo Jackson had a 7.7 YPC average in his sophomore year, but because he had less than 200 carries that year doesn't come into play.
Hill had a 6.9 YPC average (very impressive) but it still isn't the best in SEC history, well it is if you only consider players who had more than 200 carries in a season. See how easy it is to put qualifiers in stats to mislead what they actually show.
edit: I understand that awards can be overrated as well, but the only leg up Hill has on Bo and Hershel is YPC, (only if you include seasons with 200+ carries). Comparing college career's alone it is pretty easy to see why I think Bo and Hershel are far better than Hill.
Awards are based on the eye test, who based on their success on the field is the most talented playre in the country. There may be some reason players are left out, but awards are a better messure than stats, which can be extremely misleading if used the right way.
Classic example in this argument.
Bo Jackson had a 7.7 YPC average in his sophomore year, but because he had less than 200 carries that year doesn't come into play.
Hill had a 6.9 YPC average (very impressive) but it still isn't the best in SEC history, well it is if you only consider players who had more than 200 carries in a season. See how easy it is to put qualifiers in stats to mislead what they actually show.
edit: I understand that awards can be overrated as well, but the only leg up Hill has on Bo and Hershel is YPC, (only if you include seasons with 200+ carries). Comparing college career's alone it is pretty easy to see why I think Bo and Hershel are far better than Hill.
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:08 am to chilge1
Ask this towards the end of the season but I'll once again say LF7 is the next AP.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:08 am to Lester Earl
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if we must break it down, Hill's vision is on another level. As great as LF is, he still misses some holes and cutbacks. Splitting hairs, but in the long run Hill's talent plays a little better, imo
Probably true that Hill had better vision. Also true that Fournette is a much better back. In two years not one person in America will think Hill is in Fournette's class, but Lester will be on to some other stupid cause.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:09 am to catholictigerfan
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Awards are based on the eye test, who based on their success on the field
the heisman is now more of a judge of a great player's team more than a judge of the player himself
if LSU loses 3 games, LF has almost no shot at the heisman, regardless of what he does
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:11 am to catholictigerfan
sample size matters. If you want to compare gadget backs, or backs that weren't their RB1, then find a sample size that suits you.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:11 am to 13SaintTiger
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LF7 is the next AP.
i think LF7 may be the closest back to AP since AP, but AP's speed gives him a large leg up in the comparison
LF7 reminds me of jamal lewis in his prime
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:13 am to saint amant steve
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I agree. One of the first things I said to my dad when Fournette sprang loose on the first play of the game was that Hill would not have been caught from behind.
He wasn't caught from behind. The DB had a great angle on him and the WR couldn't secure a block.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:18 am to Lester Earl
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anyone?
Lester, Bo and Hershal played in an era in which every defense loaded up against the run. You can't compare ypc across radically different eras. I'm sure some Oregon scat back has a higher ypc average than Hill. Does that determine the best back?
Fournette is better than Hill - not because of any stats, but because any fool can see it. Hill was a great back. You can debate among Hill Cecil, Faulk all day long. The debate ends when Fournette walks in the room. If you don't see that you don't know football. Oh...you don't see that!
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:20 am to Lester Earl
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yes, but not equally.
True, but you can't quantify this.
Go back and watch the MSU highlights. Leonard saw the hole blocked, bounced right to hit the edge, and raced to the end zone.
Leonard Fournette is good at football.
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:20 am to Penrod
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Fournette is better than Hill - not because of any stats, but because any fool can see it.
ok, well tell me what separates him. Besides you being drunk on the hype juice.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:23 am to Penrod
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The debate ends when Fournette walks in the room. If you don't see that you don't know football. Oh...you don't see that!
What are you??? 12?????? Hes played two games this season... GREAT games but just two so far...... Hill would have had well over 200 yds yesterday with the way the O-line was blocking.............
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