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re: Does anyone still believe that Jeremy Hill is/was a better back than Fournette?
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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LF7 reminds me of jamal lewis in his prime
im seeing ricky williams as well, but Lewis is a good comp. Those short, choppy steps. Hits the hole hard without surveying.
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Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:25 am to catholictigerfan
Hill never got heisman hype because of off the field problems. He got in trouble in high school and almost got kicked off the team his sophomore year. He had better stats than tre mason and didn't play in one game and only had 2 or 3 carries the next game.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:27 am to Lester Earl
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ok, well tell me what separates him. Besides you being drunk on the hype juice.
People have already told you, but okay. Fournette runs angry and with far more power than Hill. He's also faster than Hill, imo, but that argument will have to wait until the combine because 40 times are such BS until then. Both backs have good vision, Hill's might be a little better. Both have great moves in confined space - Hill has that nimble jump step, and Fournette has a great spin move like Trent R had. The difference is power and toughness. Hill had to get in the clear to break a long run. Fournette can do it in traffic.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:29 am to chilge1
...and the point of this thread is ? Look , Hill was great his last year, and is great in the pros ... LF ? Well , perhaps a "once-in-a-genaeration" type back ... lets leave it at that
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:31 am to Penrod
so you're basically holding it against Hill that he is more elusive, and that LF "draws" more contact? C'mon
For the record, Jeremy Hill led the NFL in yards after contact last year. Against grown men. But yea, he has no power. lol
For the record, Jeremy Hill led the NFL in yards after contact last year. Against grown men. But yea, he has no power. lol
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:39 am to Lester Earl
I admire the heck out of Hill. I thought he was underrated at LSU. I never said he has no power, either. I said Fournette runs with more power. And therein lies the problem with you, Lester, you are very immature in debate. You exaggerate into irrelevance what your opponent asserts. You'll probably outgrow that tendency. 
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:40 am to catholictigerfan
Hill only played for two years because of all his personal issues and wasn't featured until his sophmomore year due to the other backs ahead of him. If Hill had stuck around, we would all have seen just how special he is.
Right now, Fournette is LSU's offense. When Hill played, there were these other guys called Mettenberger, Beckham, and Landry...
I think they are both special and I do think Hill has better vision but why not just enjoy that we have had 2 dominant backs the past few years?
Right now, Fournette is LSU's offense. When Hill played, there were these other guys called Mettenberger, Beckham, and Landry...
I think they are both special and I do think Hill has better vision but why not just enjoy that we have had 2 dominant backs the past few years?
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 11:06 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:41 am to Penrod
quote:
You exaggerate into irrelevance what your opponent asserts.
ive only posted facts, what exactly have I exaggerated?
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't think you are able to appreciate LF7's speed in this day in age
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:51 am to 13SaintTiger
what do you mean?
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:52 am to Neauxla
quote:Yeah, I really don't get the point of this thread. It's like if you wanted to start bragging on how Adams is better than Mathieu, Godchaux is better than Brockers, etc.
Hill didn't really break out until his junior Year because of all his personal issues and the other backs ahead of him. If Hill had stuck around last year, we would all have seen just how special he is.
I think they are both special and I do think Hill has better vision but why not just enjoy that we have had 2 dominant backs the past few years?
They are/were LSU players, let's just enjoy what they do for us.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:53 am to chilge1
To be fair. Was Hill getting 20 carries a game as a sophomore? They're both excellent. Hill may be best power back in the NFL. Fournette has really taken the bull by the horns though...hes a truly special player. Cecil was/is an enigma. He is easily the most violent runner I have ever seen. Wish he would've stayed healthy/sane.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:59 am to Lester Earl
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ive only posted facts, what exactly have I exaggerated?
You asked what separates them besides me being drunk on hype juice (ad hominem)
I mentioned power (among other things).
You responded "...but Hill has no power, lol."
Now, Lester, this is the second time you've asked me for an example, and I gave you one. Your pattern is to ignore that you've been rebuked and make yet another tendentious point. You are getting schooled on here, buddy.
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 11:00 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 11:00 am to St Augustine
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Was Hill getting 20 carries a game as a sophomore?
no but that's not his fault
in hill's amazing 2013 year, he only cracked 20 carries 4 times
he also didn't play against TCU and had 6 carries in game 2 against UAB. he finished with 1401 yards and 16 TDs
and just for some random comparisons, against Auburn (who went to the title game), he went 25/184 (7.4 ypc) and 3 TDs with a long of 54. against MSU (who sucked) he did 16/157 (9.8 ypc) and 2 TDs with a long of 69.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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what do you mean?
There is a ton of speed on the field, as it seems compared to AP's time in college. I mean LF7 has the second fastest 100m time in LA.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 11:08 am to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 9/20/15 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Don't forget Hill had to share touches/plays with those scrubs Beckham and Landry who were getting thrown to by Mettenberger.
no but that's not his fault
in hill's amazing 2013 year, he only cracked 20 carries 4 times
he also didn't play against TCU and had 6 carries in game 2 against UAB. he finished with 1401 yards and 16 TDs
and just for some random comparisons, against Auburn (who went to the title game), he went 25/184 (7.4 ypc) and 3 TDs with a long of 54. against MSU (who sucked) he did 16/157 (9.8 ypc) and 2 TDs with a long of 69.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 11:08 am to chilge1
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I am just at a lack for words...
To this point in his career, I have never seen a LSU back with the combo of power, speed, and agility of Fournette.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 11:11 am to Neauxla
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Don't forget Hill had to share touches/plays with those scrubs Beckham and Landry who were getting thrown to by Mettenberger.
which meant fewer carries for everyone and les wasn't feeding hill like he is doing to LF7. i like les feeding a primary back finally, but hill didn't get the same sort of workload (and not because he couldn't handle it)
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