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re: Do Costal, Auburn and Ok st wish they started their #1 pitcher in hind sight?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:25 pm to Metaloctopus
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:25 pm to Metaloctopus
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Tulane was 19-40. First 40 loss team ever in the tournament. You don't make decisions in hindsight, you make decisions based off of sound logic by playing the percentages. You live with whatever result comes of that.
I wouldn’t have started Skenes. But I did hear Jay on the radio talking about how much scouting they did on all 3 teams this week. Said they were at the facilities till late in the morning all week. Given that, can you not concede that maybe Jay and staff liked the matchup against Oregon State and their 4th starter on June 3rd better than Tulane’s 1st stater on June 2nd and did, in fact, play the percentages? That they had access to much more information than us and came up with a different calculation?
Or that there may have been a psychological reason/reasons they took into account realizing that games are not played on paper or in computer simulations, but are actually played by different and unique human beings? That every team is different and what’s good for one isn’t necessarily good for all the others?
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 12:27 pm
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:32 pm to LSUcajun77
Talking about Auburn deciding NOT to start their ace against the Ivy League POY and losing
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:33 pm to TrueBaldPate
I think we should have done like we’ve pretty much done forever when hosting a regional…save our ace for game 2. With that being said, if we can’t count on Floyd and Hurd with a full Bullpen ready, to beat OSU/Tulane/SHU, then how are they gonna beat a SR or Omaha opponent? Again..I think our strategy was wrong..but I’m not that worried.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:35 pm to Genestealer55
Spot on. I would have liked to save Skenes for today but not melting like so many others. I still feel good.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:37 pm to Hot Carl
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Given that, can you not concede that maybe Jay and staff liked the matchup against Oregon State and their 4th starter on June 3rd better than Tulane’s 1st stater on June 2nd and did, in fact, play the percentages? That they had access to much more information than us and came up with a different calculation?
I think you are going to see this discussion every year Johnson is here, hosting a regional in BR. I think this is just what he does.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:39 pm to LSURulzSEC
Smoke always saved his best pitcher for Game 2.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:39 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
Do the other 13 #1 seeds regret pitching their #2 or 3 starters ?
It really doesn’t matter if you lose your first or second game so it makes much more sense to pitch your ace against the better team.
It really doesn’t matter if you lose your first or second game so it makes much more sense to pitch your ace against the better team.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:41 pm to kciDAtaE
Did Tulane have a conference pitcher of the year?
Also auburn doesn’t really have a true dominant ace.
Also auburn doesn’t really have a true dominant ace.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:42 pm to LSUcajun77
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Print the shirts. “Beat 4 seed 19-41 Tulane in the regional 2023” “they wuz hot”
We’re in the winners bracket of our own regional. If you don’t like that fact there is plenty of other teams you can be a fan of.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:45 pm to therick711
Exactly!
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:46 pm to Tigercruiser56
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Smoke always saved his best pitcher for Game 2.
That's small consolation for Smoke apologists.
I would like to think that if we have any pitcher on our team that we couldn't defeat Tulane with then that pitcher probably shouldn't be on our staff. And there may be some.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:47 pm to Hot Carl
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I wouldn’t have started Skenes. But I did hear Jay on the radio talking about how much scouting they did on all 3 teams this week. Said they were at the facilities till late in the morning all week. Given that, can you not concede that maybe Jay and staff liked the matchup against Oregon State and their 4th starter on June 3rd better than Tulane’s 1st stater on June 2nd and did, in fact, play the percentages? That they had access to much more information than us and came up with a different calculation?
Carl, have you heard of coach speak? Do you blindly accept every explanation ever given by a coach, as factual, rather than potentially an excuse? Would you care to even make an attempt at explaining what possible matchup there could be that would suggest that Paul Skenes, the best pitcher possibly ever in college baseball, is not an infinitely better matchup? An explanation that would tell how burning your ace against a 19-40 team is a good idea? What information do you suppose they have, that we don't, that could explain this? Because when comparing Paul Skenes to every other pitcher on our team, we aren't exactly splitting hairs to tell the difference.
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Or that there may have been a psychological reason/reasons they took into account realizing that games are not played on paper or in computer simulations, but are actually played by different and unique human beings? That every team is different and what’s good for one isn’t necessarily good for all the others?
Were you under the impression that I was talking about analytics? I'm the furthest thing from being pro analytics, and if you've paid any attention to my post history, this should be well known by now. I'm usually at the forefront of reminding people that the game is played by humans, and not by numbers.
I'm talking about straight up basic knowledge, from traditional statistics, to the eye test. We know what we have in Skenes, and we know we have no one who can be trusted after that. So you take your chances with the less trusted guys, against the 19-40 team. Whatever psychological game you're trying to play at this point in the season is an exercise in pure arrogance. It's trying to be the smartest guy in the room, when just having common sense will do.
There isn't a sound argument to be made in favor of starting Skenes yesterday. You have to resort to contorting some weird mind games that make no sense. Bertman and Mainieri both said last week that they would have started Hurd, which happened to be the same guy I thought would start. If anyone knew about psychology in sports, it was Bertman. But he never tried to overthink it with something like this. He always saved his ace. Seemed to work well for him.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:48 pm to The Boat
I’d rather go with my best and be 1-0 than go with my second best, which in this case is a significant drop off, and risk being 0-1.
I’ll go with a guy making the decisions which has led LSU to be a national seed and let others play at coaching.
I’ll go with a guy making the decisions which has led LSU to be a national seed and let others play at coaching.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:54 pm to Tigercruiser56
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Smoke always saved his best pitcher for Game 2.
Yeah so did Skip and Paul except one time...1999 Skip through his ace Ainsworth in the first game of the regional against Northeast La who had Ben Sheets at 14-0 on the season and NLU had already beaten LSU earlier in the season...so Skip matched ace vs ace and ended up it was Sheets only loss on the season...
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:54 pm to therick711
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If a qb throws a touchdown into triple coverage because it was tipped and lucked into a td, would
Because we’re comparing two split second decisions
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:54 pm to therick711
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If a qb throws a touchdown into triple coverage because it was tipped and lucked into a td, would you post a thread talking about how it was a great decision?
Are you new here?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:57 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I’d rather go with my best and be 1-0 than go with my second best, which in this case is a significant drop off, and risk being 0-1.
I’ll go with a guy making the decisions which has led LSU to be a national seed and let others play at coaching.
So you'd rather go with your best, against the worst, to not be 0-1, so that we can be at far greater risk of losing today, and being 1-1, which is exactly where we'd be if we lost yesterday and won today? What is the difference? The difference is we had a better chance of beating Tulane without Skenes than we did of beating OSU without him.
Was it really so hard for the guy to "lead" LSU to a national seed, when his roster was said to be one of the best ever? Is that really the defense? Well, Orgeron and Miles also "led" LSU to national titles. This whole charade of putting coaches on an infallible pedestal is tired and lazy.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:57 pm to ell_13
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Every. 4. Seed. Is. Hot.
What if they were previously projected to be a 2 or 3, had a bad few weeks to end the season, and fell to 4?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:59 pm to TackySweater
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What if they were previously projected to be a 2 or 3, had a bad few weeks to end the season, and fell to 4?
Jesus dude you're helpless
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:02 pm to TackySweater
quote:Tulane’s last few weeks leading up to winning their conf tournament
What if they were previously projected to be a 2 or 3, had a bad few weeks to end the season, and fell to 4?
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