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re: Do Costal, Auburn and Ok st wish they started their #1 pitcher in hind sight?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:02 pm to LSURulzSEC
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:02 pm to LSURulzSEC
We were also a 2 seed in our own regional that year
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:03 pm to Big4SALTbro
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We were also a 2 seed in our own regional that year
true...it was odd hosting and being #2, but if NLU doesn't have Ben Sheets Skip wasn't throwing Ains...
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:08 pm to TrueBaldPate
Coastal Carolina threw their best pitcher. Auburn lost due to offense. Oklahoma St took an unnecessary risk pitching a pitcher that had only 3 conference appearances.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:15 pm to lsupride87
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Tulane’s last few weeks leading up to winning their conf tournament 3-8
Ok? Do every 4 seed because that’s what I was responding to.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:16 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Coastal Carolina threw their best pitcher.
I highly doubt freshman Liam Doyle making only his 4th start was CC ace pitcher...
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:19 pm to therick711
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Why is it so hard to understand that the correct tournament strategy isn't dependent on an individual game result?
AND that is EXACTLY why you start Skenes and he goes 9. If he went 6-7 and you use pen, then that is not as good of a decision.
It is more than 1 game and EVERY TEAM has to play multiple games. If you’re worried about LSUs pitchers, you worry about them versus every team here.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:24 pm to TackySweater
quote:You think alotnof 4 seeds were worse than 3-8 heading into their conf tourney?
Ok? Do every 4 seed because that’s what I was responding to.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:25 pm to Metaloctopus
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None of this means we can't or won't win tonight. That isn't the point. We had a far greater chance to win tonight with Skenes, is the point. If you had lost without Skenes yesterday, if that's the hypothetical you want to play, then how much worse are our chances of winning today without him? This is how you evaluate and make a decision. Anything more than that, and you are overthinking it.
I actually don’t think you are wrong here but we can only come to this conclusion based on the information we have as fans. We don’t know what the condition of the bullpen is and skenes has already admitted he plays better with longer rest.
We can run through all the hypotheticals but it seems as if Jay wanted a long game from someone yesterday to set up our bullpen for the rest of the tournament. For some reason I’m not privy to, I also believe he thinks tulane with their ace may have been tougher than Oregon state with their 4th guy.
I also think he’s played it this way because he believes it gives us some kind of advantage in the super. I’m not sure what that advantage might be other than keeping skenes on schedule? (I know we may play on Saturday)
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:28 pm to Metaloctopus
I get you. LSU coaches who are successful only do so because they have great athletes or they’re lucky. lol
I also understand that being a national seed when you have to compete in the SEC is a piece of cake. lol
Look , it’s fine to play at coaching. We all do it. The problem comes in when some of us begin to think that we know better what to do than the guy who’s been living with the team 24-7 from the get-go and who had been highly successful . No one has said that coaches are in fallible. Only that their best guess is probably a lot better than our best guess.
I also understand that being a national seed when you have to compete in the SEC is a piece of cake. lol
Look , it’s fine to play at coaching. We all do it. The problem comes in when some of us begin to think that we know better what to do than the guy who’s been living with the team 24-7 from the get-go and who had been highly successful . No one has said that coaches are in fallible. Only that their best guess is probably a lot better than our best guess.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:30 pm to LSURulzSEC
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I highly doubt freshman Liam Doyle making only his 4th start was CC ace pitcher...
It was his 6th start and 22nd appearance. You have to understand the makeup of Coastal Carolina’s schedule to understand why he could be their best pitcher with only 6 starts. Their schedule was filled with big time midweek opponents. That meant they had to reserve some good arms to be available both midweek and on weekends. Hagen Smith only started in 5 of 10 SEC series for Arkansas, but everyone understands he is their best pitcher. They just needed him in a hybrid role. That’s what CC did with Doyle. He had the best ERA on the team in conference play and the best of any potential starter overall.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:33 pm to TrueBaldPate
USM pitched thier ace. He pitched a hell of a game. They lost. Was that a bad strategy?
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:41 pm to lsupride87
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You think alotnof 4 seeds were worse than 3-8 heading into their conf tourney?
A poster said every 4 seed is hot. I’m not talking just about Tulane. I’m saying there probably are some 4 seeds that aren’t hot right now.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:44 pm to TackySweater
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I’m saying there probably are some 4 seeds that aren’t hot right now.
How was Tulane “hot”? What was their record in the 10 games prior to the conference tournament?
Every 4 seed won their conference tournament.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:47 pm to TackySweater
quote:Clearly, your definition of hot is simply winning the conference tournament, because that is the only way Tulane would be considered hot
I’m saying there probably are some 4 seeds that aren’t hot right now.
So, find us a 4 seed that didn’t win their conference tournament….
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:53 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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USM pitched thier ace. He pitched a hell of a game. They lost. Was that a bad strategy?
Yes, cause you save your ace for game 2, either to take you to game 3 for the championship or save your season...I bet USM wishes they had Tanner right now wouldn't you think?
With the potential matchup to be against Auburn if they had won you would really want your ace...the USM fans are livid that Tanner was on the mound for that game...and USM lost because they stranded 14 runners on base...
its also sickening knowing Tanner is from Zachary and not wearing an LSU uniform...
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:54 pm to lsupride87
They were 2-9 in their last 11 games before the conference tournament.
They were soooooo hot.
They were soooooo hot.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:59 pm to Choupique19
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They were 2-9 in their last 11 games before the conference tournament. They were soooooo hot.
3-12 in their last 15. They beat Houston 2/3, Memphis, and East Carolina in their conference tourney.
Now…the one thing I think was a big factor was Tulane starting a UHigh kid that played all of his games 20 feet from The Box. I definitely think JJ expected a stellar/inspired performance from the local kid and didn’t want to take a chance.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/3/23 at 2:00 pm to TrueBaldPate
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These three top 16 seeds lost and have a tough road. A few others barely won baseball this time of year it’s the hot teams that are scary . Tulane was hot. Win and advance.
Meh. There’s only one justifiable reason to start Skenes yesterday, and that’s to have him on full rest for game one of a Super in your home park next week. But everyone has to accept that is a big gamble on Johnson’s part. I think he’s hoping the rest of the staff is as good as it was in the SEC Tourney last week. If they are we are probably going to be just fine playing at home, but it’s still a gamble.
If we lose today and don’t make it out, Johnson will be roasted for this call and deservedly so. If we roll through today and this weekend and Skenes wipes the field with whoever we face in game one next weekend, it will look like the obvious decision. It’s a risk and we’ll see how it goes.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 2:04 pm to misey94
Again, Jay made right call.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 2:04 pm to The Boat
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Coastal’s starter had a 6 inning no hitter and they took him out.
The resulting nine run seventh from Rider cost me a +1500 parlay. Bastards
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