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re: Cliff Notes of Segment on Chris Landry's Podcast Discussing "the Meeting"
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:17 am to Goldrush25
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:17 am to Goldrush25
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A lot of people
I think there were 3 camps. Camp 1 - against the hire and after the hire continued to scream to the mountain tops how bad it is. Camp 2 - Were all in and was excited about the reign of O. Camp - 3 not in favor of the hire, but once it was done was willing to support it in hopes that the sum of the parts was enough for success.
I was in camp 3, but find myself aligning with camp 1.
I am the roller coaster fan, but not in the sense that Moreau meant. My roller coaster has gone from hopeful to concerned to angry to disgusted to sad to numb. I had shielded myself against getting too hopeful during the final years of Les, but this is much worse.
The only hope for the future of the program now is for Alleva to go which will bring an end to the O era. It's obvious now that Alleva did not want a strong HC. He wanted a lap dog.
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:17 am to RB10
RB, very impressive summary. I have a hard time imagining a game being managed by the coordinators? Who sets the strategy? Who manages the clock? Who decides to slow play eat clock, or hurry-up? Who calls time out? Etc.
I think it easily possible O doesn’t know how to study film and breakdown tendencies, etc. he has never had to do that. This clear and logical summary is very disturbing. And when you add the salary and buyout terms given, it looks like the whole deal was corrupt. It stinks.
I think it easily possible O doesn’t know how to study film and breakdown tendencies, etc. he has never had to do that. This clear and logical summary is very disturbing. And when you add the salary and buyout terms given, it looks like the whole deal was corrupt. It stinks.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:19 am to Jacknola
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RB, very impressive summary. I have a hard time imagining a game being managed by the coordinators? Who sets the strategy? Who manages the clock? Who decides to slow play eat clock, or hurry-up? Who calls time out? Etc.
I think it easily possible O doesn’t know how to study film and breakdown tendencies, etc. he has never had to do that. This clear and logical summary is very disturbing. And when you add the salary and buyout terms given, it looks like the whole deal was corrupt. It stinks.
Cannot disagree with anything you said.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:21 am to Section225
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So Alleva is paying Ed Orgeron to do what exactly?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:22 am to RB10
Fire them both immediately. Take the financial hit and put a stop to this out of control dumpster fire now. Do not let it get worse.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:23 am to Jacknola
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I think it easily possible O doesn’t know how to study film and breakdown tendencies, etc. he has never had to do that. This clear and logical summary is very disturbing. And when you add the salary and buyout terms given, it looks like the whole deal was corrupt. It stinks.
see people dont know football. you understand that offensive and defensive game plans are made by an entire staff right? Very rarely its just one guy. The common thing is everyone on the staff has input. So even as a defensive line coach O would have to know how to do this.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:24 am to DBU
I agree, if shite like this keeps coming out LSU is going to have to go into damage control.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:25 am to Tiger Tracker
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So Alleva is paying Ed Orgeron to do what exactly?
It's so sad to say this. But I feel like LSU needs to hire some "Bob's" to come in and evaluate.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:25 am to sicboy
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I think we're all on the same side now. Let's just be friends
I'm with ya
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:30 am to lsutiger2
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I think it easily possible O doesn’t know how to study film and breakdown tendencies
quote:True, Eaux just doesn't have the experience coaching other coaches. He has never been a coordinator so he has not been responsible for his position coaches. All he ever had to do was coach 18-22 year old men on the D-line.
The common thing is everyone on the staff as input. So even as a defensive line coach O would have to know how to do this.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:31 am to RB10
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- What is Alleva so involved? Paraphrasing: "That's what he's always wanted and he did not get that with Les Miles. That's why he hired Orgeron. He wanted to have the ability to put his two cents in. It's his toy. Les Miles, nor any other coach, would put up with that."
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:35 am to 1999
quote:And I don't think he's built up that much collateral. Florida was still a shite show. We only won because of Canada's early game plan and a missed extra point. I think most people know that we won despite O. At least I hope so.
problem for O is that an embarrassment at home to auburn will erase all the collateral he's built up this week
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:35 am to RB10
There are two big, long term problems:
1. The coordinators are more qualified then the head coach. This shows the HC is not respected by anyone, the administration and the coaches under him. It is very likely both Aranda and Canada are gone after this season, then two new coordinators will be in charge.
2. If that statement about Alleva is true, he wants to put his two cents in, then he needs to be fired. LSU will never land a proven, successful coach with Alleva as AD.
1. The coordinators are more qualified then the head coach. This shows the HC is not respected by anyone, the administration and the coaches under him. It is very likely both Aranda and Canada are gone after this season, then two new coordinators will be in charge.
2. If that statement about Alleva is true, he wants to put his two cents in, then he needs to be fired. LSU will never land a proven, successful coach with Alleva as AD.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:36 am to DBU
I'm shocked that at least one person hasn't posted some sympathy for O on this - is it because he's deemed incompetent or because he was the instigator behind the scenes for the firing of Miles? If it's due to incompetence, then I have to feel somewhat sorry for O here - why give him the job in the 1st place unless you trust him to provide input to his coaches and fix problems??? He was screwed before he started - assuming he didn't "meddle" before the Troy game, somebody needed to "meddle"!! For whatever reason you want to interject, IMO the offense looked like it was in regression - who do you blame that on other than the OC?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:39 am to TiggerB8t
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If it's due to incompetence, then I have to feel somewhat sorry for O here - why give him the job in the 1st place unless you trust him to provide input to his coaches and fix problems??? He was screwed before he started
We're supposed to feel sorry for the guy that conned his way into a job he is grossly unqualified for and for which he's guaranteed to be paid at least $12 million? Nah, frick that.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:40 am to Tunasntigers92
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I think it easily possible O doesn’t know how to study film and breakdown tendencies, etc. he has never had to do that. This clear and logical summary is very disturbing. And when you add the salary and buyout terms given, it looks like the whole deal was corrupt. It stinks.
This.
And,
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LSU is going to have to go into damage control
"Damage control" = firing Alleva and Orgeron
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:40 am to RB10
Is Alleva looking to pin a "breech of contract clause" on O to negotiate the buyout should he need to fire O? This is my opinion and not based on any factual information.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:40 am to TiggerB8t
You're right. We can't blame O for being a bad HC because he didn't hire himself. 
Are you serious?
And no. Nobody needed to meddle in the offense. Unless you want to bring in a consultant who is an offensive expert. Not a dline coach.
Are you serious? And no. Nobody needed to meddle in the offense. Unless you want to bring in a consultant who is an offensive expert. Not a dline coach.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:41 am to jmon
Of course not. He is the guy that could have just not given him the job like an idiot. He absolutely needs this to work.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:42 am to RB10
What I see happening here is Alleva trying to salvage anything out of the hire. I believe he was forced to hire O by certain board members after Herman and Jimbo said no. These board members were trying to appease a large portion of our fan base (namely the ignorant swamp jockey part) by hiring"one of them". This is what all of you who wanted Orgeron hired deserve.
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