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Cliff Notes of Segment on Chris Landry's Podcast Discussing "the Meeting"

I took the time to do this and posted it, then the thread got anchored. This is for everyone who hasn't heard, or can't listen to the podcast.


- Joe Alleva has taken to watching film with Orgeron on Sunday's. This has not been well received by the other coaches.

- Alleva is the one who suggested that they bring the coordinators in. Most athletic directors wouldn't do this.

- Barry Alvarez, who was a great coach and now AD, would never meet with coach and coordinators. If asked by HC, he would look at film independently and have a private conversation to discuss.

- This doesn't happen because it shows a lack of respect for HC.

- It's Alleva's right to point out things that aren't going well, but for the AD to be the person that everything "funnels through" is "not a good look".

- The coordinators were affirmed in their belief that it's their call to do what they wish to.

- Saying the meeting worked because LSU beat Florida is shortsighted.

- What happens when other problems take place? Do the coordinators go to the HC or the AD? Reaffirmed that it's a bad look.

- Noted that this all should have been kept in house. Leaking it to the media makes the HC look weak in front of the team. Not the right way to do things.

- Why did meeting take place? Orgeron felt that with youth on offensive line, pre-snap scheme & motions were too confusing. Canada believed just the opposite.

- Short version of what makes Canada's offense work: Pre-snap motions mask Oline deficiencies and talent discrepancy. Offense's success is predicated on making defenses defend the jet sweep preventing them from teeing off on QB in the pocket or overloading the front against the inside run.

- Orgeron's theory is "good ol' boy" toughness which does not emphasize getting "more out of less" from the line.

- Not running Canada's offense cost LSU the Troy game IN LANDRY'S OPINION. He does not believe Orgeron will meddle in offense again.

- Concern going forward is will Orgeron meddle the next time something is not working well.

- Why did meeting happen? From 3 sources who spoke to either one, or both coordinators: Coordinators were empowered to run their units as they see fit. Communication with Orgeron is necessary, but Alleva told Orgeron to let them coach the way they want to.

- Pressure is on coordinators because of the structure. They are coaching for future jobs as well as the current season.

- "Everyone's reputation is at stake here." Starting with Alleva, and going all the way down.

- It's a problem when the coordinators don't respect the HC's accumen due to lack of knowledge on running an offense and/or defense.

- Most situations include coordinators who "look up" to the HC, and are being empowered by HC to take charge, but coordinators have the option to "tap in to" the HC's knowledge to help them grow as a coach. This is a "void" at LSU, and "is a long-term problem".

- Alleva told coordinators "they are in charge" and did so in front of Orgeron. Re-emphasized the lack of respect to the HC in doing so. Gives coordinators too much power.

- What is Alleva so involved? Paraphrasing: "That's what he's always wanted and he did not get that with Les Miles. That's why he hired Orgeron. He wanted to have the ability to put his two cents in. It's his toy. Les Miles, nor any other coach, would put up with that."

- Orgeron listens to too many people regarding how the program should be run. Specifically mentioned Pete Jenkins and coordinators.

- Difficult when coordinators are telling the HC what to do rather than it being the HC telling coordinators.

- It is Canada's offense and Aranda's defense going forward. Aranda has Orgeron's confidence moreso than Canada. "Always subject to change".

- Around the country, responses from AD's, head coaches & assistant coaches is that this meeting was "strong indicator" in lack of faith in Orgeron. Needs to be "looked at and followed closely".

- Win against Florida is not an indicator that long-term success is viable.
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lsuman242
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I didn't think I could hate Alleva more than I already do... but I was wrong


Brunedog
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Great Post but sad to hear how the program is being operated


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sicboy
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Does he fancy himself the college version of Jerry Jones?


ETA Or it's Alleva desperately trying to make this look like a good hire and trying to help in any way he can.
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minvielle
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Cliffs of cliffs:

LSU is an absolute circus, and the ringmaster is Joe Alleva.


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abellsujr
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quote:

Does he fancy himself the college version of Jerry Jones?
I was thinking the same thing. This whole thing is such a fricking joke.


Lonnie4LSU
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If much of that is true, we are even more seriously screwed that even what I have thought!

Again, if that is true, it’s no wonder that Miles didn’t get along with Joe or why he hired Coach O.


Section225
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So Alleva is paying Ed Orgeron to do what exactly?

There seems to be no actual role or job for Ed Orgeron to do on this team.

Canada and Aranda do not respect him and they have been basically told by the AD to ignore O and do there own thing.


JPLSU1981
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Thanks for posting... definitely a circus right now at LSU. There are some people that for whatever reason don't want to see, but I thank you for spelling it all out.

Not sure what the people in the other thread are talking about. Hell, it's WORSE when spelled out verbatim.
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sicboy
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quote:

- Concern going forward is will Orgeron meddle the next time something is not working well.


We all know this is coming.

quote:

- Why did meeting happen? From 3 sources who spoke to either one, or both coordinators: Coordinators were empowered to run their units as they see fit. Communication with Orgeron is necessary, but Alleva told Orgeron to let them coach the way they want to.


again


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JPLSU1981
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quote:

If much of that is true, we are even more seriously screwed that even what I have thought!


Exactly!


Geauxin off
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No faith from coordinators....no faith from AD....CEO might meddle in playcalling just to prove himself


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LSUFanHouston
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More local example... would Skip Bertman have done this to Smoke or to CPM?

This is beyond scary. Not only because of the micromanagement/undercutting issue... but because what in holy hell does JA know about football and film?


whitefoot
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quote:

**It was not nearly as bad as the other poster made it out to be.**

Thanks for the recap, but how is this not worse than it was made out to be? I didn't read everything from last night, but this accounting, if accurate, is pretty damning.



LSUFanHouston
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quote:

So Alleva is paying Ed Orgeron to do what exactly?

There seems to be no actual role or job for Ed Orgeron to do on this team.


Talks to the media. Hosts coaching show.

Aranda looks like he enjoys the media about as much as Saban does. Not sure about Canada.

This is a model that is sort of based on what Dabo does... but to my knowledge Radkovich is not sitting in on film study.


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Tunasntigers92
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Get O and Alleva the hell out of here.


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justice
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My god. It's a complete shite show.


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RB10
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quote:

Thanks for the recap, but how is this not worse than it was made out to be? I didn't read everything from last night, but this accounting, if accurate, is pretty damning


The other thread had something about Alleva basically running the offense and defense from behind the scenes.

That's not what was said.


sicboy
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quote:

- It's a problem when the coordinators don't respect the HC's accumen due to lack of knowledge on running an offense and/or defense.

- Most situations include coordinators who "look up" to the HC, and are being empowered by HC to take charge, but coordinators have the option to "tap in to" the HC's knowledge to help them grow as a coach. This is a "void" at LSU, and "is a long-term problem".

- Alleva told coordinators "they are in charge" and did so in front of Orgeron. Re-emphasized the lack of respect to the HC in doing so. Gives coordinators too much power.


I think we all wondered about this. Aranda, as DC, all of the sudden has the DL coach as his boss. And Canada has a man who has absolutely nothing to offer to the offense meddling in his system. I'm sure they all want to tell him to frick off.


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jcole4lsu
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I truly don't understand how anyone can support O at this point.


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