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Can the other SEC members get over their Kiffin hatred and see why is bad?

Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:11 am
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163263 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:11 am
I don’t see how some of the other members can’t get past their hatred for Kiffin long enough to see how dangerous this precedent could be.

Whether you like Kiffin or LSU really shouldn’t even be the point. The bigger issue is the SEC essentially saying, “We can create or reinterpret a rule on the fly, and then punish you retroactively for something you did before that rule or interpretation was clearly established.”

If the SEC believed what LSU was doing exposed a loophole that needed to be closed, fine—close it. Clarify the rule going forward and make sure everyone understands where the line is. But retroactively punishing someone for crossing a line that wasn’t clearly drawn at the time is a completely different issue.

We literally just watched a version of this play out with Alabama basketball and Charles Bediako. The NCAA ruled Bediako ineligible, Alabama went to court and got a temporary order allowing him to play anyway, and he appeared in five games before the court ultimately ruled against him. Once that protection disappeared and Bediako was no longer allowed to play, the SEC didn’t turn around and retroactively punish Alabama for the games he had already played. Those results still counted. The reasoning was pretty straightforward: Alabama acted under the rules and legal circumstances that existed at the time. You don’t get to change the circumstances afterward and then pretend the school should have known what the eventual outcome would be.

That same principle matters here. You can think LSU exploited a loophole. You can think Kiffin knew exactly what he was doing. You can even think the SEC absolutely needed to close that loophole. None of that requires believing the conference should be able to establish a new interpretation and then reach backward to punish conduct that occurred before that interpretation existed.

We’ve seen where handing a governing body that kind of discretion can lead. Early in Goodell’s tenure, plenty of NFL fans loved watching him “clean up the league” and rule with an iron fist—especially when the hammer was falling on somebody else’s team. Eventually, though, that helped create a commissioner with an enormous amount of discretionary power, and once you hand over that authority, it becomes incredibly difficult to rein it back in.

That’s why this shouldn’t really be about defending Kiffin. It’s about the precedent. It’s very easy to support broad, discretionary power when it’s being exercised against someone you dislike. The question is whether you’ll still think it’s a good idea when the SEC decides to reinterpret a rule tomorrow and apply that interpretation retroactively to your school.
Posted by LSU_postman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
2976 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:13 am to
no they cannot get over it. They are ran by mostly liberal people who make decisions based on emotions and feelings.

See Lindsay Clancy fan club.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79809 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:14 am to
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Can the other SEC members get over their Kiffin hatred and see why is bad?


I feel like this question can be answered simply by posting a picture of the Tennessee president.
Posted by HarryHoudini
Member since Oct 2025
1675 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:15 am to
LSU lawyers just need to ask this in court

“Show us on the doll where Kiffin touched you”

Also when people let hate totally consume them, they lose all grasp of reality. We see this across all topics now a days.
This post was edited on 9/9/26 at 11:21 am
Posted by Stew2581
Covington
Member since Oct 2021
1754 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:18 am to
Tennessee will never get over it. They are not capable of forgetting Kiffin ditching them. This is personal for their admin
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
132883 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:21 am to
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Can the other SEC members get over their Kiffin hatred and see why is bad?


Nope

This is similar to people with TDS
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163263 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:22 am to
Then let’s use an example maybe more in their wheelhouse

There are plenty of times when I might WANT the government to over reach because I agree with what it’s trying to accomplish. The problem is that once you establish that it has that power, you don’t get to dictate how the next person uses it.
This post was edited on 9/9/26 at 11:26 am
Posted by IM_4_LSU
McKinney, TX
Member since Mar 2014
14608 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:25 am to
If you honestly look back in 1000' view of the situation. LSU has always been treated as the red-headed step child. They have always said culturally we don't fit and we are low income and low intelligent people who they cannot stand. This is no different.
Posted by DrrTiger
Gulf of America
Member since Nov 2023
2720 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:26 am to
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Tennessee will never get over it.


Tennessee sees themselves as a Tier One college football job. Kiffin showed that they're actually a stepping stone school. Their ego has never recovered from that.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79809 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:26 am to
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If you honestly look back in 1000' view of the situation. LSU has always been treated as the red-headed step child. They have always said culturally we don't fit and we are low income and low intelligent people who they cannot stand. This is no different.


This is why they're pushing LOIC. Actual top down alignment scares the frick out of them.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
McKinney, TX
Member since Mar 2014
14608 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:30 am to
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This is why they're pushing LOIC. Actual top down alignment scares the frick out of them.


100%. They continue to move the goal post. I said it a few times but this all started back in October when Skanky didn't like the comments from Landry, didn't like the firing of Woodward, hiring of Kiffin, rehiring Wade, appointment of Wade Rouse, and the meeting at the Gov's office about private Equity. They were looking for a reason, if it was about the players this would have been done by now.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163263 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:32 am to
with LSU backing down, if the SEC were smart, they'd table this issue until summer meetings, and you can all agree on very clear stances on eligibility. Violate those and you're subject to penalty.

Continuing to pursue this makes it seem quite personal. Trying to punish Lane or LSU for going down the same path every other school has taken to gain a player's eligibility is just bullshite and unreasonable.
This post was edited on 9/9/26 at 11:33 am
Posted by philly444
stuck in contraflow
Member since Nov 2008
12504 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:33 am to
This is literally about a game with a football. They are so butthurt and seething with hatred that they can’t see past how ridiculous this is. The rest of the SEC is acting like a bunch of children and it’s embarrassing.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
157467 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:35 am to
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Whether you like Kiffin or LSU really shouldn’t even be the point. The bigger issue is the SEC essentially saying, “We can create or reinterpret a rule on the fly, and then punish you retroactively for something you did before that rule or interpretation was clearly established.”

I've said the same thing...this isn't about whether or not you hate Kiffin, or even LSU. But it sets a very dangerous precedent that all university presidents should recognize as total dictator type bullshite. It's pretty shortsighted to vote in favor of the league for something like this.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163263 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:36 am to
and that's really the narrative LSU should be pushing
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79809 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:40 am to
quote:

if the SEC were smart


you can't count on this because:

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Continuing to pursue this makes it seem quite personal.


It's absolutely personal for Sankey and several people in power at other universities, mainly Tennessee and Ole Miss. Maybe Florida too.

Alabama just wants to weaken LSU. Texas wants to assert dominance in the conference (which was always coming and why they should never have been let in).

There are too many competing interests and too many schools that don't think it can also happen to them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
482152 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:42 am to
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If the SEC believed what LSU was doing exposed a loophole that needed to be closed, fine—close it. Clarify the rule going forward and make sure everyone understands where the line is. But retroactively punishing someone for crossing a line that wasn’t clearly drawn at the time is a completely different issue.


They did try to close it. They haven't really sought punishment from LSU.

LSU seemed to be playing a game of chicken with the SEC after they tried to close the loophole.

Once LSU acquiesced, I don't think punishment is on the menu. If I'm wrong, I agree with you.

Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
8066 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:43 am to
I agree with everything you wrote.

Sankey feels that the rule was clear. When he explained the SEC's position, the players sued the SEC. Charles Bediako did not sue the SEC.

Sankey apparently feels that Lane is the original cause for him being yanked into court.




Sankey is angry. Kiffin wears the blackest hat. Sankey is the Sheriff, "You can't keep doing this."




Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
114522 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:45 am to
Unless the SEC/Sankey have some sort of a smoking gun that we’re all not aware of, this whole thing looks like a vendetta. Seems public opinion sans Sankey, Ole Miss, Tennessee and maybe a few others are shitting the bed with all this and a lot of the media are now siding with LSU.

Not a good look for the conference with their ineptness and the way this is playing out.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
60114 posts
Posted on 9/9/26 at 11:46 am to
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This is similar to people with TDS


I would say they have Lane Derangement Syndrome.
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