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re: Can someone who understands ball better than me explain Perkins shift from Freshman yr on?

Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:55 pm to
Posted by Geaux Guy
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 7/2/26 at 6:55 pm to
Internal cancer plagued the team. Basically, he stopped playing. He hid and ran away from plays.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
73064 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 7:14 pm to
Misused but still finished top 10-11 alltime at LSU in sacks and higher in TFLs. Led the team every year in those categories and let the team in INTs last year as well. Guy finished his career with more sacks and TFLs than Glenn Dorsey, KiKi Mingo and many others but Kelly’s teams underperformed after year 1 and fans look for scapegoats, Perkins was scapegoated.
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 7:19 pm
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
16481 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 7:47 pm to
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It wasn't necessarily as much of a Perkins sucks problem as it was a rant group think problem.
'They" gave him too many responsibilities, reads and assignments.

He's a pure rusher.

ILB.

Star. NO. Too many responsibilities.

Best position. OLB in rush situations.

OR.........Running Back. Just give him the football and let him run fast with it.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
73064 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 7:54 pm to
The same people complaining he didn’t get enough sacks were the ones saying he shouldn’t be rushing the QB. It was bizarre.
Posted by Housplants
Germantown, TN
Member since Dec 2006
1470 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 8:51 pm to
Perkins was a perfect example of a physically gifted player with no football IQ. Instincts for football are required to be great.
Posted by LSU817
Member since Mar 2023
142 posts
Posted on 7/2/26 at 9:40 pm to
You have to understand and realize there’s no tape on him at that point. Him moving by to lb and then to star is more of helping him become a lb than a one trick pony and try to avoid teams targeting him. People have to realize playing sec LB it takes realistically 2yrs if they stay at the exact same position ( so 2 yrs at will or 2yrs at mike or 2yrs at will) when they are asked to move consistently and learn something new without having a true base there will be struggles for those 2 yrs, what helped whit is he’s always played the will
This post was edited on 7/2/26 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
35183 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:47 am to
He's an undersized edge rusher

They decided to move him to Mike which was insanely dumb. I was crucified on here for saying it real time.

Then they tried him at star but the only time he was effective was when he was rushing and in the backfield.

Guys like perk have always been elite athletes all their life. Perks job on defense since he was 7 has probably been "see ball, hit ball"

Then one spring we decided he should be a Mike and then he wasn't playing fast. He was always a step behind.

Posted by minimal
Member since Feb 2007
1036 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 7:05 am to
Its not some big mystery. If there was a future for him in NFL it was not as a designated pass rusher. He is too small.

For LSU and the future, he needed to be more well rounded, so he probably agreed to move. He seemed to lack the awareness to play offball LB and his tackling wasnt great.

Maybe it can still happen for him.
Posted by KennabraTiger
Kenner, LA
Member since Sep 2013
7868 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:02 am to
He was amazing off the edge. BK then decided to move him inside like a fricking idiot. Then a bad injury. Then more of BK being a fricking idiot putting him at the star position.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
33908 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:19 am to
Jimbo Fisher exposed his deficiencies in 2022. 4-7 A&M game planned and attacked Perkins all game. They ran right at him often. Then ran screens past him when he rushed the passer on the outside. A&M ran the ball 50 times, Perkins had 1 solo tackle and 1 assisted tackle.

Once Jimbo showed teams how to attack Perkins and not avoid him, he was never the same. Some big plays here and there. But overall a consistently under performing player who rarely even touched the ball carrier.
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 9:20 am
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48585 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:27 am to
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He was always undersized and a tweener with no true position. He never got past that so it wasn't hard to scheme around his athleticism.


Initially, teams were not prepared for his athleticism. And he relied on that too much, so what you saw later (and for some reason our fans mostly ignored this) was him being shepherded upfield past the QB and losing containment. Which killed up vs running QBs and on delayed runs. Then he got hurt. He did look much better the second half of 2025, though.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
25936 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:32 am to
He is only great when he is unblocked.....
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
8584 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:36 am to
I agree. I think he should have been used like the Honey Badger and I think he most likely would have succeeded. When he was misplaced on the field and teams were able to identify and scheme away from him, it appeared that he lost interest and his desire to perform. After the injury, it appeared he wasn't willing to engage . Just observations. A real mystery for many reasons.
Posted by AkronTiger
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Member since May 2021
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:46 am to
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Perkins was a really good LB for LSU.


He was not a really good linebacker.
Posted by AkronTiger
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:48 am to
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I think he should have been used like the Honey Badger and I think he most likely would have succeeded.


The lack of instinctiveness he displayed later in his LSU career when healthy would've kept him from ever being impactful in a role that requires the versatility of Badger.
Posted by AkronTiger
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:49 am to
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BK then decided to move him inside like a fricking idiot


Perkins was the one who wanted to move inside. It was also Perkins and Baker who mutually agreed to put him at the STAR which he felt was his most natural position.
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 10:54 am
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
27532 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:14 am to
I’ll explain it.

He’s under-sized. Essentially he was like sending a WR to rush the passer. As long as he’s not blocked he’s a menace.

LSU decided to put him at Mike to have him cover more field with his speed. Instead he just stood there diagnosing while the offense avoided his area. Star position wasn’t much better.

He’s a talent without a natural position. Baseball equivalent of a Utility or DH.
Posted by JBREAUX4LSU
Dallas, TX
Member since Jun 2009
1730 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:18 am to
People also underestimate that he was not the focus of the offense each week as a freshman, Ojulari was.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23914 posts
Posted on 7/3/26 at 1:47 pm to
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but I am still perplexed by Perkins massive impact his freshman year and never returning to that type of big play ability



Perkins was a really good LB for LSU. The issue with Perkins was the rant watched him play against Arkansas his freshman year and then expected that kind of game every single game

Disagree with that... he wasn't a "really good" linebacker.

He was a tweener, between safety and linebacker. He was big for a safety, but small for a linebacker. He could cover well for a linebacker, but not great for a safety. He was bigger and stronger than a blitzing DB, and faster closing speed than a linebacker rushing the QB.

There were mismatches on both offense and defense, and depending on what role he was playing, and what the offense identified him as, it was an either/or. He could either disrupt the offense, or be a weak link on defense. If and when the offense figured out how we were using him, they would take advantage of his weaknesses. But if they couldn't figure it out, he'd make some big plays against them.

He couldn't play "inside", really other than to be a spy on a mobile QB. Wasn't big enough to be a true LB or they'd run him over. If you could force him to cover true skill players in pass routes he was a potential liability there too.

A few years back, I watched a Saints game, and the Saints had a cornerback get 3 sacks. That scheme, that day, blew up the opponent. But that didn't make that guy on par with a true pass rusher, because if you tried that and they started running at him it would have been just as bad on defense.
Posted by BayouPride
Member since Sep 2006
1088 posts
Posted on 7/5/26 at 2:42 pm to
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still believe he should’ve been a SS for us in the mold of a Jamal Adams.


Agree, but in the 2000’s those jumbo-sized-safeties were more of a thing (Harry Coleman, Chad Jones)
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