re: Bruce Pearl's first three years at Auburn

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Just because 1 Coach does it does not mean every Coach should do it.

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The point is that it CAN be done. So comparing him to coaches, such as Pear, who had to build programs in a different era is flawed.

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circumstances matter it is unfair to judge McMahon and his staff in year 1 he should be given a few years based upon the circumstances that were there when he accepted the job.

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What circumstances? He got the LSU job at the usual time most new hires were made. And while all of the roster went into the portal initially, it is fairly commonplace to see a mass entrance in to the portal when a coaching change is made.

South Carolina made a change. 5 players left
Florida made a change. 5 players left
Missouri made a change 9 players left
Miss. St. made a change. 7 players left.

It was the first basketball coaching change in the new transfer era for LSU, so LSU fans who really don't follow basketball at all thought the mass exodus to the portal was cataclysmic and unique when, in fact, it is pretty commonplace to varying degrees.

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no one was going to take this job

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Why not? LSU has plenty of resources and plays in a major conference. It is an appealing job. Oh, but I forgot about the "draconian sanctions" that everyone is certain are coming. Arizona was in the same boat. Didn't seem to bother Tommy Lloyd. Xavier hired Sean Miller, who was fired by Arizona, BEFORE the IARP ruled on the Arizona case. The only people quivering in the corner worried about the "cloud of sanctions" are LSU fans. The coaches aren't concerned. That includes Matt McMahon who I am certain has his choice of jobs given his success at Murray St.

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if you get rid of him too early you really think we will get any kind of Coach with the potential to win to come here?

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No reasonable person is calling for McMahon to be fired after one season. The ONLY way I would even consider doing so is if the charges are dropped and Chris Beard called LSU and said I want to be your coach. That's not going to happen. But it IS reasonable to evaluate McMahon within the context of the current era of basketball not compared to an era nearly 10 years ago.

Before the season LSU was picked to finish 8th in what was expected to be a very good SEC. LSU's not on par with Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Auburn, and Arkansas (when at full strength) this season and reasonable people knew that. BUT, it was reasonable to think they wouldn't get beaten like a drum by SEC teams very often. And it was reasonable to expect they wouldn't have an absolutely horrible offense.

After the next two games the schedule lightens (on paper). So it very well could be LSU ends up right where they were expected to end up...somewhere in the middle of the pack. The end of the season will be the time to judge.

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Not the SEC

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so mid majors have no shot in basketball, right? Like Dayton, Zaga?

If LSU is cleared of further sanctions, then MM may be able to recruit some good transfers for next year. Develop the recruits a little, and then we might be okay next year, even with the loss of KJ. We need a couple of shooters, a point guard, and a good post player to replace KJ for next year.

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While the portal was available to McMahon it was also open to every other program which was not under looming sanctions. So ther was no real advantage .

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Wow - so he can’t evaluate the portal? ARIZONAS’S HC had FAR WORSE circumstances than McMahon. Get real.
Sanctions have ZERO ZERO ZRRO to recruiting. He freaking signed a TOP 20 CLASS MAN!!! Damn. Play like a veteran team with some new kids. Look at what Mulkey did LAST SEASON AND THIS ONE FOR EXAMPLE. Lost EVERY SINGLE STARTER EXCEPT MORRIS FROM LAST YEARS SENIOR ROSTER THAT WAS PATCHED TOGETHER AND IS 19-0.

McMahon was the “hot coach” from mid Major you took. He was in the tourney with a team that won 31 games last season. HE BROUGHT AN ALL AMERICAN PLAYER.. you realize there’s only 5 players on the floor at a time? This isn’t football. WTF are some of you smoking?

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returned to Arizona when their coach was replaced?

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1 player. ONE.

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They have actually been competitive except for the recent games which were all teams who were picked ahead of them in the SEC and in some cases, nationally ranked.

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Read what I wrote. These last several games. Losing by 40 to anyone is unacceptable.

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He also didn’t take over a program that had been to 4 straight NCAA tournaments. He also didn’t have the roster that McMahon has this year.

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What roster is that?

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Wow - so he can’t evaluate the portal? ARIZONAS’S HC had FAR WORSE circumstances than McMahon.

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Looking at the rosters in 2020-21 and 2021-22 the rosters have a lot of the same names. Miller was fired in April 2021. Looks like nearly everyone returned.

O, and btw, Arizona's infractions pale in comparison to what Wade did. Clearly you are still butthurt over Wade getting fired.

McM isn’t Bruce Pearl though… Terrible analogy.

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So a coach going to jail is worse?

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With regards to sanctions, no.

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And no, I’m not butt hurt over anything at all! I’m angry that Woodward caved because other universities did not. This again, it was about football and not basketball you tool.

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Oh, you are clearly butthurt. Sorry your man crush was fired, but he had to go.

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I don’t care what other teams did and losing for what it’s worth. All I care about is being competitive against Texas A&M and Florida and not losing by 40 when your roster should not lose by 40 ever. This is not fricking Vanderbilt where they don’t have any talent. Get over your fricking self and just admit that this team is not competitive because they don’t put forth the effort to be competitive. frick man that’s about coaching. Defense and Rebounding is nothing but effort.

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And like most Wade fanboys you don't know basketball.

And I don’t think anybody is calling for his firing. Everybody thinks that he needs some time. All we care about is being competitive, and he has enough talent on this roster to be competitive. I certainly wouldn’t fire him before three seasons are over. Just put a competitive product on the floor and with a top 20 class and the players he brought with him. I don’t understand why those are unreasonable expectations.