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Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:21 pm to Draino54
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Rick Barnes first couple of yrs at Tennessee would also be comparable.
Neither are comparable because the freedom of transfer rules that exist today did not exist then. A roster could not be easily overhauled in one season. The only options coaches had available to them to add to the roster immediately were graduate transfers (relatively rare), JUCO transfers, and HS signees. The pool of potential impact players to add to your team was very small.
That is not the case today. In 2022 alone over 1,500 players entered the transfer portal. That allows a coach to flip almost their roster in one season. That is EXACTLY what Kansas St has done under their first year HC. Following last season 9 players transferred out. 1 graduated. The new coach had 2 returning players. Hell, LSU had 3! K-State brought in 9 transfers and signed a couple of 3 star recruits. They are currently 1st in the Big 12 and will be ranked in the top 10 next week after beating #2 Kansas a few nights ago.
Should LSU fans expect that significant a turnaround in one season? No. But to say "look at Rick Barnes's or Bruce Pearl's first few seasons" as an argument this should take multiple years to "rebuild" is incredibly weak. NEITHER had the transfer opportunities available to coaches today. If they did, both are probably competing at the top of the SEC in 1-2 years.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:29 pm to tigersbb
Stop you’re destroying the narrative that we are a basketball school. And just a school where every sport has to win the sec/national championship every year because it’s “LSU”. Stop it. You’re not allowed to do that
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:39 pm to tigersbb
Different time where NIL and the Transfer Portal was not existence plus he was coming in tainted and being watched.
Apples and oranges
Apples and oranges
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:52 pm to Alt26
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Neither are comparable because the freedom of transfer rules that exist today did not exist then. A roster could not be easily overhauled in one season. The only options coaches had available to them to add to the roster immediately were graduate transfers (relatively rare), JUCO transfers, and HS signees. The pool of potential impact players to add to your team was very small. That is not the case today. In 2022 alone over 1,500 players entered the transfer portal. That allows a coach to flip almost their roster in one season. That is EXACTLY what Kansas St has done under their first year HC. Following last season 9 players transferred out. 1 graduated. The new coach had 2 returning players. Hell, LSU had 3! K-State brought in 9 transfers and signed a couple of 3 star recruits. They are currently 1st in the Big 12 and will be ranked in the top 10 next week after beating #2 Kansas a few nights ago. Should LSU fans expect that significant a turnaround in one season? No. But to say "look at Rick Barnes's or Bruce Pearl's first few seasons" as an argument this should take multiple years to "rebuild" is incredibly weak. NEITHER had the transfer opportunities available to coaches today. If they did, both are probably competing at the top of the SEC in 1-2 years.
I’ve said this since the summer and frankly believed that with his own players coming with him from a team that won 31 games including one in the tournament, I thought they would be competitive.
I’m not upset about losing as much as I’m upset about the effort and how non-competitive they are these last several games. Just disappointing. I was hoping for 17 wins after they won so many games in the non-conference schedule.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:25 pm to ellessuuuu
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He also didn’t take over a program that had been to 4 straight NCAA tournaments.
Means nothing with zero of those players and a black eye hanging over your head under investigation.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:37 pm to tigersbb
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McMahon and didn't take over a program facing potential draconian sanctions:
Stopped reading right here. Typical clueless bullshite.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:42 pm to LSU12223
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Stop you’re destroying the narrative that we are a basketball school. And just a school where every sport has to win the sec/national championship every year because it’s “LSU”. Stop it. You’re not allowed to do that
His comparison is hugely flawed. When Pearl took over at Auburn he did not have the ability to bring in immediately eligible transfers outside of graduate/JUCO transfers. New coaches today have that opportunity and you are either hopelessly naïve or incredibly disingenuous if you think the freedom of transfer rule doesn't provide MASSIVE advantage to roster building compared to the period prior to that rule being put in place.
In fact, I bet Bruce Pearl himself would tell you he NEVER finishes at the bottom of the SEC if he had no restrictions on transfers in his first year at Auburn.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:43 pm to tigersbb
Finally Facts
Basketball only takes 2 dawgs and a season to get it going. I was a Wade fan, now I’m a Matt fan, he will turn this around - he will get his dawgs.
Basketball only takes 2 dawgs and a season to get it going. I was a Wade fan, now I’m a Matt fan, he will turn this around - he will get his dawgs.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:55 pm to Alt26
Mcmahaon had the NCAA investigation hanging over his head. If you think any good player would want to come into the program with that hanging over them, then you are a delusional arse fan.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:02 pm to tigersbb
And he didn't have to build an entirely new roster in 3 months - 1st Season
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:05 pm to tigersbb
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No, but there were not a lot of highly talented players lined up to transfer to LSU with pending sanctions. It was a yeoman task to recruit the roster he has now.
Except McMahon brought 3 players from a team that won 31 games and a tournament game last season including the best player in their league PLUS a top 20 class. To not be competitive is a disgrace.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:07 pm to BHS78
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There is a reason his best player is a 5th year player that came from a small school. He probably didn't recruit or have a relationship with the top players while he was at Murray St. WW used $$$ to build his relationships quickly.Hopefully McMahon can use NIL to get better players and not get caught on tape while doing it.
So a mid major like Murray st can’t win tournaments? Murray st is a legit basketball program. I mean winning 31 games including a tournament game is not a small feat.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:13 pm to IM_4_LSU
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quote:2014–15 Auburn 15–20 4–14 13th 2015–16 Auburn 11–20 5–13 13th 2016–17 Auburn 18–14 7–11 11th Stop the histrionics and give him time to get established. The schedule gets much lighter in February and things can change in a hurry. That is very good point and good comparison to use. Which is why McMahon is going to be given 3-4 years minimum
Next time read other posts before replying because several first year coaches like the guy at Arizona and KSt had ZERO players and won. Additionally, there was no NIL or transfer portal for Pearl. This is NOT a good comparison
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:16 pm to LSU12223
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Mcmahaon had the NCAA investigation hanging over his head. If you think any good player would want to come into the program with that hanging over them, then you are a delusional arse fan.
Are you just delusional? WHAT ARE SANCTIONS GOING TO DO 1 and done players?
What about the portal or NIL?
Compare the Zona HC in his first year where one of the previous assistants went to jail.
Such a false narrative.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:16 pm to tigersbb
Yea let’s just overlook what he had already proven at Tennessee. Great comparison lol
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:17 pm to Tiger1988
quote:That Murray State team had two other forwards who scored consistently. One graduated and the other elected to stay. Instead we got the point guard and 6th man, nether of whom are consistent scorers. We were hoping that Miller could give you one, but he has been very streaky. Just as likely to shoot you out of a game instead of in.
Except McMahon brought 3 players from a team that won 31 games and a tournament game last season including the best player in their league PLUS a top 20 class. To not be competitive is a disgrace.
Cam gave is scoring for a few games, but is now recovering from an injury. To top that off Mwani has been injured, hurting defense and rebounding.
I know that people wanted the freshmen to step up, but they were available mostly because they aren't that physically mature and ready to play year 1, thus other teams hadn't signed them as of last April.
Bottom line: LSU will struggle to stay our of the league basement until we get the NCAA violations and can start to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:20 pm to Tiger1988
quote:1 and Done players are especially affected since they want as much exposure as possible in their one year.
Are you just delusional? WHAT ARE SANCTIONS GOING TO DO 1 and done players?
What about the portal or NIL?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:30 pm to Tiger1988
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Next time read other posts before replying because several first year coaches like the guy at Arizona and KSt had ZERO players and won. Additionally, there was no NIL or transfer portal for Pearl. This is NOT a good comparison
The coaches you referenced did not inherit an empty roster.
Kansas State did not have NCAA sanctions hanging over them.
They were able to sign Keyonte Johnson, the favorite to win SEC Player of the Year two years ago before his sudden cardiac incident. Do you believe he signs with Kansas State if they were subject to possible draconian sanctions?
Yes, the portal is open now but was not in effect three years ago. The portal is also now available to every team not just LSU. So again a team under potential sanctions is competing with 99% of the teams without such sanctions. By the time McMahon was hired the better players were fairly well committed.
McMahon deserves a 3 to 4 year opportunity to build the program on a solid basis. These snap judgement over a few losses is as ridiculous as creating high expectations over a couple of earlier successes.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:31 pm to tigersbb
This team appears to be lifeless. The schedule would have to get NAIA easy to pick up some wins.
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