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re: Braelin Moore..We lack details, execution. Can’t tell you why. And Nuss is “slinging it”
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:11 pm to Tiger2025
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:11 pm to Tiger2025
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“We lack details. We lack execution. I can’t tell you why that is. We’re trying to figure that out. We just have to focus in more”
Ooof
Obvious response is that sounds like a coaching problem. Could also be the guys on the line just ain't got it upstairs.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 2:19 pm to TigersJump
Umm he just described coaching.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:14 pm to TigersJump
The o line struggles are puzzling. Brian Kelly is an offensive line guy that’s his area of strength. Had multiple great offensive lines at notre dame. We’ve been relatively good in pass protection since he’s got here Brie Erin game nastiness hasn’t been there
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:26 pm to TigersJump
Lacking details is on coaches. Lacking execution is on the players. Not having answers in on the coaches. This looks bad on both the players and coaches.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 3:33 pm to Tiger Ugly
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I have a fundamental issue saying we didn't try to run enough or commit to the run against Ole Miss. Mascona keeps saying it and Hunt Palmer whose opinion I value more also said it.
My issue with that opinion is - very simply - we can't. So we need to keep running for 1 and 2 yards more often? Why, to keep the defense honest? Really? That's it? Does anyone really believed more failed run attempts accomplish this? Or that if we try 10 more times that we'll magically finally do better?
I think like most things, the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. As I said, it doesn’t justify 2.6 yards per carry.
I agree that failing more doesn’t do much to keep the defense honest. If they’re going to rush 3 with 2 deep safeties, it’s not enough to “try.” You have to actually punish them and force them out of that look. Otherwise there’s no reason for them to stop what they’re doing.
That being said, there’s some nuance to this:
First, you need something out of the running game but that doesn’t mean you need an explosive running game. 3rd & 4 is much more difficult to defend than 3rd & 10, and even 3 ypc should get you to 3rd & 4.
Second, I think there’s a legitimate question of whether we tried running inside enough vs. Ole Miss (who, again, has the worst rushing defense in the SEC statistically) to actually say we failed. Our RB’s had 14 attempts for 3.6 ypc. And how many of those 14 were actually between the tackles? (I genuinely don’t know, but just making the point that it’s likely less than 14).
We had 4 drives that ended with points, during which our RBs ran the ball 12 times. We had 6 drives that ended without points, during which our RB’s ran the ball 2 times. It’s anecdotal evidence, but maybe supports the idea that there is something to keeping the defense honest?
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It IS scheme. the o-line is not confident and efficient in what they are doing as a group. And I honestly don't see evidence that they are getting better in their technique as a group or individually and that's a Davis thing.
I don’t know, maybe we are using different definitions of “scheme.” When I think about scheme I think in terms of the types of plays/concepts being called - basically the “who goes where” part of the equation. I don’t think there’s necessarily a major schematic flaw in what we are doing with our inside running game (when we actually use it) right now. Although I do think the conversation between Flynn/Hester about the frequency of RPO tags is interesting. But I don’t think it’s really a situation where “of we just ran this concept, our ground game would be so much more successful.”
If anything we are trying really hard to compensate schematically for our deficiencies. It’s why you see so many perimeter runs, screens, behind-LOS passes, etc. But at some point you have to have a semblance of an inside running game to be successful everywhere else.
It seems to me the bigger issues are more technical - the “how” part of the equation. Guys getting beat 1-on-1 and generally just not executing at a high level as a unit. And while the specific issues are different, it’s the same overall theme we saw last year.. a bunch of isolated failures that add up to an inability to run between the tackles. At this point I would agree a lot of that falls on Brad Davis (and I suppose Alex Atkins, at least this year).
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:17 pm to Barbellthor
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Obvious response is that sounds like a coaching problem. Could also be the guys on the line just ain't got it upstairs.
I’m inferring, but when he talks about details and execution together like that, I think he is still pointing at guys on this OL who aren’t getting the details down and in turn, aren’t executing. What he said is open to a lot of interpretation. It could be a shot at coaching, but most experienced players like Moore aren’t going to do that.
Even if that’s what Moore meant by “details,” it doesn’t absolve the staff because they haven’t been able to either get guys on the right track or replacement them. But the players still have to be responsible for their part, especially when there are a couple of guys on the OL who are out-performing them by a good margin.
I know Moore has experience elsewhere, so maybe that has helped him. But Adams has been here under Davis his entire career and he playing FAR better than Mubenga, Echols, Thompson and Davis right now. Maybe he’s self-motivated or just developed into a better player, but 2 of those guys were higher-rated recruits (Davis was much higher rated) and 1 has a lot more experience than he does at the P2 level. There’s no excuse for all of them to be this far off the level he has played at when they’ve all had the same coaching. That much is on them.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:00 pm to Dandy Chiggins
That's all BK has been telling them. that is the extent of his coaching acumen. Just try harder boyz...we'll get em dis time?
What a fraud !
What a fraud !
Posted on 10/8/25 at 8:06 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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We need about 3 other O linemen just like him
5 more just like him. Sad thing is that he was developed at another school.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 8:09 pm to Vanilla Thunder
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Idk the answer, but my arse would have Carius Curne in the starting rotation. I think he’s physically superior. Put him at guard and let them block straight ahead. He moves people.
^^^^
THIS
Posted on 10/8/25 at 8:23 pm to Batiger53
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Batiger53
Does that stand for bitch arse tiger?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:47 pm to geauxtigahhhs
exactly. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand....just look at Burrow and his Oline in Cinn.....same thing.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 10:02 pm to Tiger2025
this is arguably our best Olineman, and he is saying that we have players that don't know what they are doing.
Well, that coincides what we are seeing on the field.....linemen running into each other while defense goes right pass them.
Sounded like a whole lot of frustration....like what have I signed on to???
Can't blame him....the entire oline looks totally uncoached every game and it has not improved one iota from game one to game 5...in fact, its worse because the defense has identified where the weakest links are.
Well, that coincides what we are seeing on the field.....linemen running into each other while defense goes right pass them.
Sounded like a whole lot of frustration....like what have I signed on to???
Can't blame him....the entire oline looks totally uncoached every game and it has not improved one iota from game one to game 5...in fact, its worse because the defense has identified where the weakest links are.
Posted on 10/9/25 at 7:55 am to Jack Crevalle
Can you even imagine playing for a short old man, who has a zero motivational skill set, and loves to show his disgust on the sidelines during games?
Opponents simply look at the ol man during games to get all of the motivation they need. Now we know why he could not ever win the big games.
Always remember, 95% of the game is played above the shoulders!!
Opponents simply look at the ol man during games to get all of the motivation they need. Now we know why he could not ever win the big games.
Always remember, 95% of the game is played above the shoulders!!
Posted on 10/9/25 at 7:59 am to TigersJump
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We lack details. We lack execution. I can’t tell you why that is. We’re trying to figure that out. We just have to focus in more”
I know I’m beating a dead horse. I know.
But how the hell does this happen at this level of football?
Posted on 10/9/25 at 8:44 am to TigersJump
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Make sure everyone is on the same page. Knowing the fundamentals and the technique used for the play. Because we’ve had people at tackle in fall camp and now they’re at guard and vice versa.
This is my biggest takeaway quote.
It took a long time in Fall camp to set OL depth chart. Backups at one position were getting first team reps at a different position deep into camp.
It’s hard to build a cohesive unit in that scenario. Add in new faces from other programs, and a a string of injuries that caused some missed playing time in games, but a whole lot more of missed or limited practice availability.
A good (or even a solid) O-line should have gelled and started to hit their stride by this point. This team isn’t close yet.
The lesson Kelly should learn is that if you bring in portal players to plug in on the O-line, then plug them in from day one. Don’t bring them in to bolster the talent of the unit, then try to fit all the puzzle pieces together on the 2-deep depth chart just weeks before the season.
Posted on 10/9/25 at 9:15 am to geauxtigahhhs
While I agree that we need a competent OL, I disagree somewhat with your statement. Let's not pretend that JD5 didn't indeed mask all the problems of the prior OL. While that OL had some players that were individually talented, they couldn't produce holes and our running game was just as horrible....EXCEPT for JD5.
So YES, a mobile QB can mask, to a degree, a horrible OL. This exact same team with JD5 at QB would be assured a playoff spot and possibly a shot at a NC.
So YES, a mobile QB can mask, to a degree, a horrible OL. This exact same team with JD5 at QB would be assured a playoff spot and possibly a shot at a NC.
Posted on 10/9/25 at 1:08 pm to ellis197575
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While that OL had some players that were individually talented, they couldn't produce holes and our running game was just as horrible....EXCEPT for JD5.
With Daniels and an experienced (even if average) Center in 23, we had 3 backs average over 5 ypc. Diggs probably could have made a push toward a 1,000 yard season if he hadn’t missed games and also played hurt in a couple of others.
That aside, while Daniel’s’ presence undoubtedly helped, we still ran the ball efficiently with our backs, none of whom were stars, that season. If we were running the ball that well right now, the offense would be clicking.
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:19 pm to TigersJump
Bottom line, coaching is hard. Coaching in college is even harder, and coaching in the SEC is the hardest in the world outside of the NFL (and a different animal than the NFL, so potentially even harder than the NFL; see, Bill Belichek). And sometimes it takes a lot of things and a lot of time to get things working. But many of the most vocal commenters (especially here) don't get that, or at least act like they don't get it.
Most of them would look at an LSU team with a 4-3 record and a 2-3 record in the SEC and the worst passing defense in the country over halfway through the season, and declare that they know that team is doomed and that coach is terrible and doing a terrible job and there's no way that team is competing for a championship. Well, we saw that team, and that team went on to win the SEC (which in today's game means a CFP slot), and beat the living crap out of the Big 10 Champion (another CFP team in today's game) in the Sugar Bowl (which would have been a CFP game) and finish in the top 10; and that "terrible" coach was Nick Saban, which at that time those same kinds of posters on this very board were complaining about as an overpaid (because of a MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT!) coach from a second-tier Big 10 school with the worst pass defense in the country (despite being billed as a defensive guru) and a losing record in conference nearly halfway through the season who also lost at home to UAB.
Obviously, ALL those opinions -- despite being presented as "facts" -- were dead wrong. That team did not suck, not even in pass defense, and absolutely would be a championship-contending team in today's game. That coach did not suck at defense, was not overpaid, and definitely was not terrible.
So all the claims by random posters on a message board about what will or will not happen with this team are complete horseshite. None of us know anything about how this team or this season will turn out. And, importantly, no amount of opinions on this or any other board (except the Board of Supervisors) is going to change whatever happens for this team one bit. The only thing our speculation can affect at this point is our own mood and our own experience. The most bewildering aspect of this board is how many people choose to contemplate doom and gloom outcomes rather than the equally plausible successful outcomes. No, whatever you think you saw about the OL not opening running lanes or Nuss not being accurate or the OC making terrible play calls or anything else does not make it any more likely that this team is going to miss the CFP than it makes it more likely they will make the CFP. You have no rational basis for expecting failure from this season more so than expecting success. So why choose to expect failure? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Most of them would look at an LSU team with a 4-3 record and a 2-3 record in the SEC and the worst passing defense in the country over halfway through the season, and declare that they know that team is doomed and that coach is terrible and doing a terrible job and there's no way that team is competing for a championship. Well, we saw that team, and that team went on to win the SEC (which in today's game means a CFP slot), and beat the living crap out of the Big 10 Champion (another CFP team in today's game) in the Sugar Bowl (which would have been a CFP game) and finish in the top 10; and that "terrible" coach was Nick Saban, which at that time those same kinds of posters on this very board were complaining about as an overpaid (because of a MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT!) coach from a second-tier Big 10 school with the worst pass defense in the country (despite being billed as a defensive guru) and a losing record in conference nearly halfway through the season who also lost at home to UAB.
Obviously, ALL those opinions -- despite being presented as "facts" -- were dead wrong. That team did not suck, not even in pass defense, and absolutely would be a championship-contending team in today's game. That coach did not suck at defense, was not overpaid, and definitely was not terrible.
So all the claims by random posters on a message board about what will or will not happen with this team are complete horseshite. None of us know anything about how this team or this season will turn out. And, importantly, no amount of opinions on this or any other board (except the Board of Supervisors) is going to change whatever happens for this team one bit. The only thing our speculation can affect at this point is our own mood and our own experience. The most bewildering aspect of this board is how many people choose to contemplate doom and gloom outcomes rather than the equally plausible successful outcomes. No, whatever you think you saw about the OL not opening running lanes or Nuss not being accurate or the OC making terrible play calls or anything else does not make it any more likely that this team is going to miss the CFP than it makes it more likely they will make the CFP. You have no rational basis for expecting failure from this season more so than expecting success. So why choose to expect failure? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Posted on 10/9/25 at 3:51 pm to TigersJump
He doesn't sound like he knows what is going on after watching the film, and the coaches have not relayed to him what the issue is.
He is our most competent and experienced o lineman, and he doesn't sound confident that they are going to improve
He is our most competent and experienced o lineman, and he doesn't sound confident that they are going to improve
This post was edited on 10/9/25 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 10/9/25 at 4:12 pm to TigersJump
“We lack details. We lack execution. I can’t tell you why that is. We’re trying to figure that out. We just have to focus in more”
I’m sorry but there are too many coaches, assistants and analysts for a comment to come out like that from your center. Come on man. Seriously
I’m sorry but there are too many coaches, assistants and analysts for a comment to come out like that from your center. Come on man. Seriously
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