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Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:29 am to Freauxzen
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No one says "no other college has hired someone who wasn't a coordinator as a head coach and been successful
That's true if you have been a member of the board for a few weeks. The poster I was responding to stated stuff that was said before the past season started. I pointed out what was actually said and why. Go talk to him if you really need to nail down the specifics of our conversation.
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people say that no one would hire O after Ole Miss (which is true)
Is it true? I thought he was the head coach at LSU. dumb me.
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and very few schools hire non-coordinators as coaches and that it is not necessarily a smart play based on results.
Urban Meyer and Dabo's hires were not smart because of their championships ???
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Please link where more than one random poster actually said that no one hires a coordinator as a head coach.
Just look at the board from June 2017 through Sept 2017. You should be able to find many examples.
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Because this is a dumb comparison
this is what is so funny. It is not a comparison at all. The fact that you can't understand that is befuddling. And then you type two whole paragraphs over stuff you are too oblivious to even realize was not a comparison to start with.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:30 am to Tiger Ree
So no response to the positive on the field this past season, that was related to Orgeron. 10-2 should have been very attainable, as it was the weakest schedule in awhile. Just think about it, beat Troy and you finish 10-2. He will never have such an easy road to 10-2 and he couldnt take advantage. The season was a failure after losing the bowl game, and he followed that with a very average recruiting class. Once again any belief that next year will be above average is based on wishful thinking, rather than historical evidence.
I consider any performance equal or worse than Miles's history to be a failure. Miles was fired so the program could take a step forward, not stay the same or fall further. Really not sure what is so hard to understand.
I consider any performance equal or worse than Miles's history to be a failure. Miles was fired so the program could take a step forward, not stay the same or fall further. Really not sure what is so hard to understand.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 10:34 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:31 am to SoFresh
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Neither were likely a better option as true freshmen than Etling was as a senior, but as second year players I'd say there is a decent to good chance that LSU's 2018 QB play will exceed that of 2017
Possibly. I think we would be in a much better position going into this year had Brennan got more playing time last year. No reason to not play him after the Bama game.
Rumor is Canada wanted Brennan to play over Etling but Orgeron didnt. I'll trust Canada's evaluation over QB talent over Orgeron's all day.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:33 am to Tiger Ree
You don’t understand that when you say someone else also did this it’s a comparison.
“O lost to Troy and Saban Lost to UAB”
Is a comparison regardless of you saying it isn’t after.
Also Urban didn’t win a championship right away, he was HC at Bowling Green and Utah first. He worked his way up from lower level teams.
And neither tanked at their first job.
“O lost to Troy and Saban Lost to UAB”
Is a comparison regardless of you saying it isn’t after.
Also Urban didn’t win a championship right away, he was HC at Bowling Green and Utah first. He worked his way up from lower level teams.
And neither tanked at their first job.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:36 am to Freauxzen
If bitching won championships LSU would be the New York Yankees.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:37 am to A1tiger
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Hiring a bunch of never "have beens" in key positions such as OC does not inspire confidence
Want to name a few other of the never "have beens" and their positions? You use plural wording but only list one position. Have any more or do you need to edit your post?
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The positives I am asking for, are on the field.
Like the O-line, D-lines and the rest of the positions players fill?
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You can hire all the reject analysts with no experience
Who were the rejects as analysts? Which ones have no experience? Are you making bullshite up to try to convince me of some crazy narrative you are trying to sell?
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but losing on the field/ mediocre recruiting is not the direction to 10-2.
Hate to tell you but #15 in the NATION is not mediocre recruiting. If it was Clemson would not even have been ranked for the last few years much less have won a national championship.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:37 am to Tiger Ree
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The do now. It was a running Lunatic Fringe fallacy for quite a while on this board.
No it wasn't. You're an absolute liar.
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No, they are both coaches who are successful. Nothing more nothing less.
No...they are outliers. there's a reason the vast majority of successful head coaches come form the ranks of coordinators. Were this not the case, EVERYONE would be hiring failed former head coaches that no one else wants like we just did.
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Generally ??? Name one coach walking the face of the earth that has never lost to an inferior opponent.
And this, ladies and gentlemen is why we can't have nice things. A posters says "Generally losing to inferior opponents means you aren’t a good coach." and this gaping a-hole immediately goes to "Name one coach walking the face of the earth that has never lost to an inferior opponent" as if it, in any way, refutes what the poster he was responding to said.
Seriously...you're fricking terrible.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
Omfg, complaining every fricking day is the fricking problem, what don't u understand?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:43 am to Nix to Twillie
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Honest question: what do you predict our record will be this year?
You’ll never get the lunatic fringe like Ree to predict Orgeron will go 10-2 or better.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:45 am to UpToPar
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So no excuses, right? 10 wins or the season is a disappointment, right?
Wrong, making stupid comparisons is ok therefore, because Kirby brought his team to the NC in Year 2, then it's only fair that we hold O to that standard. So, NC appearance or it's a complete failure. If O's hiring gets held to the Dabo standard, and his loss to Troy to the Saban standard, then his Year 2 gets held to the Smart standard. It's simple.
And to be really fair, #1 recruiting class next year or it's a failure.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 10:47 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:46 am to Nix to Twillie
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So no excuses, right? 10 wins or the season is a disappointment, right?
10-2 regular season minimum. That’s the standard. Otherwise firing Miles and paying his buyout was fricking retarded.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 10:49 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:46 am to Tiger Ree
Are you too stupid to understand on the field. Meaning what has been proven, not hypotheticals? What has he accomplished, not what you hope happens? The previously failed or inexperienced staff members include Ensminger, Sullivan, Kevin Faulk (unknown, but you named him as a big positive and I'm not sure why), some analyst that was fired from ULL, the newest Bama reject Doug, and the Head Coach. Pretty much every coach that has anything to do with the offense and the Head Coach. Pretty sure those may be some of the most important positions.
Conveniently, you never responded to the 8-4 request or how was Orgeron an upgrade over Miles so far?
Conveniently, you never responded to the 8-4 request or how was Orgeron an upgrade over Miles so far?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:49 am to SammyTiger
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can you name 5 coaches who had a history of losing records who turned out to be a great coach?
Frank Beamer, 280 wins: 24-40-2 through first 6 seasons
Lou Holtz, 249: 13-20 through 3
Mack Brown, 244: 19-48 through 6
Jim Tressel, 229: 14-20 through 3
Bill Snyder, 210: 18-26 through 4
Your post legitimately got me curious and took me down a short research path
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:49 am to Nix to Twillie
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Do you really think Troy was an isolated incident, and not a sign of things to come?
Do you really believe the Auburn game against a top 19 program was an isolated incident, and not a sign of things to come?
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How does doubting O make us “fringe idiots?”
It is a small part of it and has nothing to do with the actual act of doubting Eaux. It is the peripheral and extreme measures the idiots go to "hate" Eaux that makes them Fringe idiots.
I linked a thread on the first or second page of this thread. Check it out, it's hilarious. It was the thread about the last analyst that was hired and the melt and eventual melt into silence by the Fringe. It is an everyday occurrence.
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Do you really see zero problems with hiring O so far?
I see what I think is him making the program better. Starting with the offensive and defensive lines. I am not going to judge him on one season with the injuries and high number of freshmen that had to play.
Dave Aranda Q&A with the Advocate:
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Have you ever had a defense where you have to play so many young guys?
No (laughs).
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LSU made an effort to improve offensive and defensive line depth in recruiting. How do you think that worked out on your side of the ball?
Good. I’m excited about the people coming in. Physical, big, explosive guys. That’s needed. And we’ve got some edge rushers as well. You look at Travez Moore and Jarrell Cherry, guys we can put on the edge and set edges and win one-on-one in the pass rush.
I feel like the depth on the D-line we’ve had this year has been very apparent in the way we’ve played. When we haven’t had depth it’s also been very apparent. To be able to build our front is important
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:50 am to 00 Tech Grad
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You’ll never get the lunatic fringe like Ree to predict Orgeron will go 10-2 or better.
What would it matter if he and others did? Much like this past season when we were told by Orgeron himself that we'd be in playoff contention when he took the job, the goalposts will simply be moved at the first sign of the inability to reach expectations.
and...as has been said several times over the past few days...it should not matter AT ALL anyway. wins and losses I mean. Because prior to 2004 we had tons of fantastic memories, wonderful players and incredible games...even if we were a middle of the road program nationally. We were HAPPY then, so what difference does it ultimately make if we allow our program to fall back to the pack...? What are you...some kind of snowflake millennial?
Can't you people just be happy with any old bowl game and an occasional underdog win against an REAL elite program???
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:50 am to Jack Daniel
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Well “normal poster”, when has Bowden, Dabo or Urban been fired from an SEC schools for being a failure?
When did one of them coach at Ole Miss?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:51 am to Tiger Ree
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extreme measures the idiots go to "hate" Eaux that makes them Fringe idiots.
100% of my “hate” is for Joe Alleva.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:52 am to Tiger Ree
That’s an excuse and nothing more. A chunk of those freshmen were RS freshmen in depth position. Another chunk didn’t do more than special teams.
A small chunk started and an even smaller chunk started a majority of the games. And out of those they were actually pretty good.
So it’s an excuse and a shite excuse at that.
A small chunk started and an even smaller chunk started a majority of the games. And out of those they were actually pretty good.
So it’s an excuse and a shite excuse at that.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Yea in your day you took your shitty hires and liked it. You're the reason LSU has underachieved historically. Congrats.
This, to infinity and beyond.
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