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re: BETTER College football playoff idea
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:50 pm to mikedatyger
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:50 pm to mikedatyger
Six undefeated teams in 11 seasons have been given no shot. The only reason the list is short is because the system hasn't been around all that long.
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:50 pm to easy money
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we're not talking about the top 12. the 12 will be comprised of all conference champs and an at large.
the top 2 and 4 are subjective.
The reason you are talking about it is because people want the best teams. Yes you are substituting arbitrary for subjective, but this does not solve the problem. Teams from stronger conferences will be bitching like hell that teams that they very likely beat the shite out during the season gets in and they don't.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:51 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:And they will be laughed at like Georgia was following the 2007 season.
Teams from stronger conferences will be bitching like hell that teams that they very likely beat the shite out during the season gets in and they don't.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:52 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Yes, but then people's precious opinions wouldn't matter nearly as much anymore ... can't have that!
Yeah, what we really need is to see teams like Buffalo, Toledo, and East Carolina playing in the playoffs for the national championship while you may have 1 or 2 loss powers like Florida, LSU, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, et al sitting home when they would roll up half the teams in the tournament.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:54 pm to MOT
quote:I'm fine with that. If they aren't deserving, they will get beat in round one. If the powers had won their conference then they could play in the playoff as well.
Yeah, what we really need is to see teams like Buffalo, Toledo, and East Carolina playing in the playoffs for the national championship while you may have 1 or 2 loss powers like Florida, LSU, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, et al sitting home when they would roll up half the teams in the tournament.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:55 pm to MOT
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LOL. And how is that exactly?
All I'm trying to say is that the #3 team has more right to be included in some sort of a "playoff system" than a #5 team. I just think it's unlikely that the #5 team would have beaten the top 2 teams in the country if they had gotten the 4 seed. Try to pick a year in the BCS era where that would have happened.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:57 pm to Gmorgan4982
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And they will be laughed at like Georgia was following the 2007 season.
When did GA beat the shite out of either LSU or Ohio State in 2007?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:57 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:I'm guessing never.
When did GA beat the shite out of either LSU or Ohio State in 2007?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:59 pm to Gmorgan4982
Plus, under my "system," UGA would have been in the playoff anyway, so I doubt they would have been whining all that loudly.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:01 pm to Gmorgan4982
exactly. there are only a couple teams a year that qualify for what you people keep whining about....they would be included in the 12.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:08 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Six undefeated teams in 11 seasons have been given no shot.
and 1 was from a BCS conference
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:OK
and 1 was from a BCS conference
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:34 pm to Gmorgan4982
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conference champion tie-ins solve NOTHING
And the BCS does?
*No* playoff system solves anything. Hell, even with March Madness there's some 20 win team that got left out.
The problem is the regular season. Top schools play maybe 2-3 games against other good ones, the rest are more or less easy wins. It's no wonder nobody has any idea who is the best.
Ideally there would be a soccer-style promotion/relegation system but that will never happen because of the interests involved. But there is no postseason "solution", it simply isn't possible when the good teams don't play enough good competition.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:40 pm to foshizzle
for the most part you are right. the other problem is we don't even know who is good anyway until the middle or end of the year. you may beat a top 15 team who ends up 4-8.
the computers solve that, but in the beginning of the year we bump that team up for winning against a "strong opponent" at the time. now their ranking is skewed and every team they play.
the computers solve that, but in the beginning of the year we bump that team up for winning against a "strong opponent" at the time. now their ranking is skewed and every team they play.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:42 pm to easy money
i guess another possibility could be to not rank teams until the BCS comes out.
that takes a lot of fun out of the beginning of the year, but it would help make a stronger BCS system.
that takes a lot of fun out of the beginning of the year, but it would help make a stronger BCS system.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:46 pm to foshizzle
quote:Exactly. So it is pointless to try to pick a best team based on opinion. However, even schools who are in conferences with 12 teams in them play over 70% of the other teams in their conference. Therefore, it is a little more fair to take the conference champions, which is something that is more likely to be decided on a field than at a desk or on a couch or wherever pollster fill out their ballots.
The problem is the regular season. Top schools play maybe 2-3 games against other good ones, the rest are more or less easy wins. It's no wonder nobody has any idea who is the best.
No system will be perfect, though, and unlike soccer, FBS teams can't play every other FBS team during one season.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:53 pm to Gmorgan4982
I like the conference championship format. If a team can't win their conference, they have no business playing for a national championship. However, I think that a 12 team playoff is a bit much and would provide a few teams with a bye week. I like an 8-team playoff.
SEC Champs
Big 12 Champs
Big 10 Champs
Pac 10 Champs
ACC Champs
Big East Champs
At-large bid
At-large bid
Though I feel this would be a decent system, I stand by the BCS as the most fitting. 2004 Auburn notwithstanding, I find it hard to argue that the remaining undefeated teams should have been given the opportunity to play for a national title.
SEC Champs
Big 12 Champs
Big 10 Champs
Pac 10 Champs
ACC Champs
Big East Champs
At-large bid
At-large bid
Though I feel this would be a decent system, I stand by the BCS as the most fitting. 2004 Auburn notwithstanding, I find it hard to argue that the remaining undefeated teams should have been given the opportunity to play for a national title.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:54 pm to chilge1
quote:So screw the other 5 conferences?
However, I think that a 12 team playoff is a bit much and would provide a few teams with a bye week. I like an 8-team playoff.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:57 pm to Gmorgan4982
exactly the point. like my original post, the numbers work. it's fair. you may have a weak team mixed in, but it's not right to not include them if they are dominant in their respective conference. for most teams, 67% of your schedule is against your conference. we are talking about outright champs of their conference not the debatable top 12 teams.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:59 pm to Gmorgan4982
I would be all for a system where the other five conferences form their own subdivision and compete for their own national champion, but until that happens, the system should attempt not to simply say screw you to about 50 teams.
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