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re: BETTER College football playoff idea
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:03 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:03 pm to BayouBengals03
The best system would take all biased polls completely out of the equation:
Divide Div I into 8 big mega conferences of 14 teams each. Further divide each conference into East and West or North and South divisions, whatever is applicable. Let the divisions play a championship game at the end of the regular season to determine the conference champions. Finally, let the final 8 conference champions play a seeded playoff to determine the national champion.
Of course, 8 rent a victory teams would have to be kicked out of Div I, but that’s okay since they didn’t belong in Div I in any event.
With respect to the current bowl games, let the remaining teams not in the playoffs who had successful seasons play in those bowls.
Hence, therefore with the above we would have the best of both worlds, a true national champion in lieu of a mythical national championship since it is decided strictly on the field and the current bowl system is retained.
Divide Div I into 8 big mega conferences of 14 teams each. Further divide each conference into East and West or North and South divisions, whatever is applicable. Let the divisions play a championship game at the end of the regular season to determine the conference champions. Finally, let the final 8 conference champions play a seeded playoff to determine the national champion.
Of course, 8 rent a victory teams would have to be kicked out of Div I, but that’s okay since they didn’t belong in Div I in any event.
With respect to the current bowl games, let the remaining teams not in the playoffs who had successful seasons play in those bowls.
Hence, therefore with the above we would have the best of both worlds, a true national champion in lieu of a mythical national championship since it is decided strictly on the field and the current bowl system is retained.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 6:07 pm
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:04 pm to BayouBengals03
I kinda agree, but I would do it as a +1. Make all the biggies play the bcs bowls as currently scheduled, then match up the two consensus choices in a Championship bowl two or three weeks later. I know that someone would be left out and unhappy, but no matter what you do there will always be a couple of teams on the outside complaining.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:15 pm to BayouBengals03
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4 team playoff.
I'd be OK with this, but still prefer the current BCS.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:23 pm to Gmorgan4982
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So screw the other 5 conferences?
Screw conferences all together. The top 4 teams in the BCS should get in, reguardless of their conference.
College football will NEVER have a playoff of more than 4 teams IMO. It would severely hurt the regular season AND the bowls wouldn't allow it.
The whole purose of the BCS is to reward teams for their ENTIRE season. That is why the BCS has worked 80% of the time, which as SFP pointed out, is better than any other system in sports.
If you were to go with a 12 team playoff, it would kill the BCS's purpose, and instead reward a team that has a good 3 or 4 weeks stretch. This is exactly the reason the BCS was put in place. To reward 1 national champion each year based on the ENTIRE body of work throughout the season.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:24 pm to MOT
The MAC champion is going to be given the same post-season opportunity as the SEC champion, regardless of SOC?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:29 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:The same regular season where you could go undefeated and be rewarded with nothing?
It would severely hurt the regular season
quote:Well, heck, I can make up percentages just like SFP.
That is why the BCS has worked 80% of the time, which as SFP pointed out, is better than any other system in sports.
quote:Yes, and it has shown over and over again that it doesn't work.
To reward 1 national champion each year based on the ENTIRE body of work throughout the season.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:31 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
First of all, you guys who are arguing for an 8-team or more college football playoff are just not dealing with reality. So get over it. Seriously, the powers-that-be are so entrenched in the BCS and it's 2-team playoff that there is no way in the world that they are going to move suddenly to a playoff involving 8 teams. That's just wacko! This does not even begin to mention the financial ramifications for the fanbases of the teams involved in 3 post-season games.
Now, I would love to see the Plus One system. It would mean one more game than we have right now. But there are two aspects to my plan - if they would just come to their senses and make me Benevolent Overlord of College Football - that are essential.
1) Make every team play at least two BCS teams from different leagues in their non-conference schedules. The chief problem with college football's postseason lies in the way that college football conducts its regular season. With the limited sample size, there is no conclusive way to determine which 1-loss team is better than another 1-loss team. Do you realize that last year, there were only two games between two different teams from BCS conferences that both wound up in the Final Top 25? (OU-Cincy and USC-OSU)
2) Allow the five BCS (yes, add the Cotton to the rotation) to pick the years and teams that they would like to host in the semi-final games. That way, even if its the Rose's turn to host a semifinal game, they could pass and take a Pac-10/Big11Ten matchup that they so covet and defer their turn to the next year.
Finally, I agree that 4 teams are enough. Its fascinating that so many fans of college football are willing to trash the most precious regular season in American sports in order for the cheap thrill of a playoff. The regular season is what makes college football special. Expanding the pool of teams that play for a national championship from 2 to 4 will serve to enhance the regular season as it would make it less arbitrary as to who qualifies for the national championship. Adding more teams to the mix would only serve to dilute the field, and diminish the regular season.
Last thing - Conference Champions only. For reasons outlined above. So teams like Michigan 2006, Georgia 2007 and even LSU 2005 are out.
Now, I would love to see the Plus One system. It would mean one more game than we have right now. But there are two aspects to my plan - if they would just come to their senses and make me Benevolent Overlord of College Football - that are essential.
1) Make every team play at least two BCS teams from different leagues in their non-conference schedules. The chief problem with college football's postseason lies in the way that college football conducts its regular season. With the limited sample size, there is no conclusive way to determine which 1-loss team is better than another 1-loss team. Do you realize that last year, there were only two games between two different teams from BCS conferences that both wound up in the Final Top 25? (OU-Cincy and USC-OSU)
2) Allow the five BCS (yes, add the Cotton to the rotation) to pick the years and teams that they would like to host in the semi-final games. That way, even if its the Rose's turn to host a semifinal game, they could pass and take a Pac-10/Big11Ten matchup that they so covet and defer their turn to the next year.
Finally, I agree that 4 teams are enough. Its fascinating that so many fans of college football are willing to trash the most precious regular season in American sports in order for the cheap thrill of a playoff. The regular season is what makes college football special. Expanding the pool of teams that play for a national championship from 2 to 4 will serve to enhance the regular season as it would make it less arbitrary as to who qualifies for the national championship. Adding more teams to the mix would only serve to dilute the field, and diminish the regular season.
Last thing - Conference Champions only. For reasons outlined above. So teams like Michigan 2006, Georgia 2007 and even LSU 2005 are out.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:34 pm to Gmorgan4982
Hey your kook, what's wrong about my proposed poliboard proposal?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:36 pm to Tiger Phil
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First of all, you guys who are arguing for an 8-team or more college football playoff are just not dealing with reality. So get over it
If we are not going to have at least an 8 team playoff system, then we may as well keep the same failed BCS popularity contest!
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:36 pm to Toothpick
You mean your playoff proposal?
Better than the BCS. I just wonder how it would affect non-conference scheduling.
Better than the BCS. I just wonder how it would affect non-conference scheduling.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:38 pm to Gmorgan4982
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The same regular season where you could go undefeated and be rewarded with nothing?
It has only happened once to a BCS team. And under my original plan, a 4 team playoff would put them in, and they would have played the team who got in over them. So there you go.
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Well, heck, I can make up percentages just like SFP.
Let's hear them.
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Yes, and it has shown over and over again that it doesn't work.
That is just ignorant. Name one time besides maybe 2004 that the BCS didn't do what it was put in place to do. That is to pick the top two teams based on the entire season.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:40 pm to Tiger Phil
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First of all, you guys who are arguing for an 8-team or more college football playoff are just not dealing with reality. So get over it.
Don't even try. They can't grasp that concept.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:41 pm to Gmorgan4982
We’d play one less non-conference game. Thus throw out Tulane, ULL, McNeese, or La Tech. I could give a shite about playing those losers anyway.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:41 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Six undefeated teams in 11 years have got no chance at a championship. That's more than one every two years.
It has only happened once to a BCS team.
quote:2+ 2 = 4 ... I think.
Let's hear them.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:42 pm to Toothpick
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If we are not going to have at least an 8 team playoff system, then we may as well keep the same failed BCS popularity contest!
False.
Increasing only to 4 teams would eliminate some of the arbitrary nature of the BCS system. It would allow the four best conference champions in instead of only the two best conference champions.
Increasing to 8 would have to allow a team that did not win its own conference to play for a national championship. The only thing we can definitively say in college football is who the best team from each conference is. Allowing a team that did not show itself as such during the regular season drastically devalues the national championship.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:43 pm to Toothpick
quote:Well, OK, but there wouldn't be any incentive to play a Virginia Tech or Arizona State or anyone like that. Still, I'd rather have that than the current system.
I could give a shite about playing those losers anyway.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:44 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Six undefeated teams in 11 years have got no chance at a championship. That's more than one every two years.
Seriously.
If you believe that Hawaii in 2007 deserved a chance to play for the national championship based on their undefeated record, then I am afraid that you don't understand college football very well.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:45 pm to Tiger Phil
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Increasing only to 4 teams would eliminate some of the arbitrary nature of the BCS system. It would allow the four best conference champions in instead of only the two best conference champions.
Any system based on polls are a popularity contest and only yield mythical national champions.
All championships should be determined strictly on the field.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:45 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Six undefeated teams in 11 years have got no chance at a championship. That's more than one every two years.
Once BCS team. If these teams are really good enough, then they need to schedule tough OOC games to prove they belong. And if they can't because no one wants to play them, then that' just too bad. I'm just going to go off of my opinion that none of the non-BCS teams who have gone undefeated in the past 10 years or so would have had a chance to win a playoff tournament. And most people would say I'm right.
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2+ 2 = 4 ... I think.
That's relevant, thanks.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:48 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Well, OK, but there wouldn't be any incentive to play a Virginia Tech or Arizona State or anyone like that. Still, I'd rather have that than the current system.
Money is a big incentive. So I don't believe it would take away those big out of conference games. Moreover, it would make the bowl games a little more interesting.
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