re: Basketball (Men's) question- what should we expect?

If they don't make the tournament there's no way you can bring this guy back with a 5th year of more the same! They have to make a change!

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Seems like it was an afterthought until Dale Brown arrived.

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Not exactly true, though LSU was not a national brand by any stretch. From the start through 1957, LSU had 13 coaches, 11 of whom had a winning record (.563 or higher). Eight of them had a winning percentage of .611 or higher. 49 seasons with a .603 winning percentage, 550-362.

LSU had 5 winning seasons in the previous 15, two of those with Pistol Pete, before Brown took over. He righted the ship. LSU has not had a coach who coached more than one game with an overall losing record since, but MM may achieve that unless he can win 4 of his next 9 games.

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I'd say LSU, any given year, should be around 20 wins and in contention, with a Final Four type team once or twice a decade. Sound about right?

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LSU has made the final 4 twice in one decade one time. They have only made a final 4 a total of 4 times in over 70 years. 3 times in the last 54 since Dale took over (assuming this is not a final 4 year).

In regard to around 20 (I used 18 or more), it looks like LSU did that 31 times in the last 54, 32 if MM pulls that out. But WW did it all 5 seasons. I am not sure if every year is realistic, but 3 or 4 out of 5 seems very reasonable if we get a good coach.

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if we get a good coach.

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In all be a very few instances the head coach IS the program. Tom Izzo hasn't been powerhouse HC for the last 30 years because of Michigan St. Michigan St has been a powerhouse because of Tom Izzo.

Brown did kind of like Curt Cignetti did at Indiana. He changed the thinking around LSU basketball. He barnstormed the state trying to drum up interest and build relationships (with wealthy people) to fund his program. He was energetic, brash, unafraid to try to recruit any player, anywhere, and not particularly concerned with the NCAA's rules. The result was Final Fours, multiple All Americans, the "Deaf Dome" and 66k in the Super Dome...and ultimately, probation at the end.

Brady was the cheapest and best of a short list of candidates who wanted the LSU job in the mid-90's with serious probation looming. After 11 years of inconsistency he was let go. LSU was a bigger brand though at that time, and had an opportunity to lure a good HC. They hired a guy from Stanford who had a good resume across two different schools. However, he had no personality, didn't want to build the relationships with donors, and didn't like the "dirty" aspect of recruiting. After a good season with the prior HC's holdovers, he won 5 SEC games in two years.

LSU then hired a "legacy" no other major conf. school would have ever considered hiring. However, he at least had the connections with the donors through his previous days at LSU. He used those to sign blue chip prospects. Unfortunately, he couldn't coach.

LSU then hired a new HC. He was energetic, brash, unafraid to try to recruit any player, anywhere, and not particularly concerned with the NCAA's rules. His career ended with probation too. LSU then hired a guy who had a good resume. However, he had no personality, didn't want to build the relationships with donors, and didn't like the "dirty" aspect of recruiting. He's won an average of about 4 SEC games a year.

I'm not an expert by any means. But MAYBE there is a blueprint of what kind of HC might work...and which one doesn't

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He is talking about the program historically; that seems pretty clear if you read the post.

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People don't read here.

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But MAYBE there is a blueprint of what kind of HC might work...and which one doesn't

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Exactly. It’s been proven here. Gotta find that again. No more monotone losers.

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My prediction is that LSU will give MM one more season and then fire him with a smaller payout.

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McMahon won’t make it past this season. He’s very fortunate to have gotten the fourth season and the only thing that saved him was going into ADs office and saying give me more NIL money. They agreed to that and said this is your last chance. Same results for him with the most talented roster he has had here.

The wheels are in motion to have his replacement ready to go. I would say after the Miss State loss it ramped up because you had a glimmer of hope to dig out of the basement.

McMahon hasn’t really ever had a different demeanor on the sideline but to me he looks like he knows this is over. He’ll take a year off, get hired in an appropriate level position as a head coach and be pretty successful. He’s just not a fit in the SEC.

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only thing that saved him was going into ADs office and saying give me more NIL money

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The only thing that saved him was that Will Wade was there for the taking and Woodward was our AD. If Wade signs the NC St deal a year prior, Scott fires MM last year. But b/c there would have been so much pressure to hire WW and Scott absolutely wasn't going to do that, he kicked the can down the road another year. And it ultimately cost him his job.

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The Pirate King

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JimTiger72 aka Mr. Q4

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Well chronicled mediocrity lovers are the first 2 replies in this thread, both saying winning expectations are unrealistic. SHOCKING

[quote]what should we expect?/quote] a sweet 16 type run every 3-4 years, and just making tournament trips every other year. Not really hard to ask