re: Anybody here still think O was a bad hire?

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Anybody here still think O was a bad hire?

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I wasn't thrilled about O at the time but if you could find my old comments and posts from social media you'd see that I was VERY thrilled that we didn't hire that clown Jimbo!

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It was a bad hire that is working out way better than anyone thought it would.

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That's a bit of a stretch. I was vocal at the time that Dabo had provided the blueprint for what a program could look like with a guy like Orgeron at the helm, and didn't think that there was a clear cut option better than him that was available. Given how he had performed in interim roles I was comfortable saying he had grown since OM, and would hire good assistants. It wasn't a splash hire but there were objective reasons to argue for and against at the time.

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I disagree that there was little risk.

Sure we got him for cheap but had he flamed our like he did at Ole Miss, it could have set the program back for a decade or more.

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Just look at Tennessee.

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If you unfortunate enough to visit the tiger rant scoreboard on a gameday during the opponents offensive drives, you will see a large flock of them.

Then they vanish, only to be seen on the next opposing first down

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So you're basically describing the rant on any given game day for any given sport, regardless of who is coaching. Because, the rant always knows what's best for everyone and everything!

I was wrong and now very glad we have him.

I still hate Alleva though. The search was a joke

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It wasn't a splash hire but there were objective reasons to argue for and against at the time.

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Nope he can't grow. Anything that happened at OM must happen again. OM is who he is. USC and LSU jobs are false indicators. (sarc)

Here’s the way I see it. LSU, especially on offense, needed a radical shake up. For better or worse, nobody with the decision to hire had the balls to hire a HEAD COACH that would come in on day one and do that. Furthermore, a lot of such possibilities (I’m not even sure who they would be offhand - not Jimbo or even Herman) would be people would have flipped out over every bit as much as O, and likely been every much a gamble.

However, that has now actually occurred and accounting for the fact that it took two years to happen, that is what ORGERON has given us.

Unless something drastically flips back around, this seems about the best result possible. Jimbo seems completely lacking in drive and Herman seems to be missing something in his approach.

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A hire should be judged on the results it yields. You can’t judge a hire the instant it’s made.

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It's the other way around. You can only use information available at the time of the decision to judge whether it was a good or bad one. The decision maker can't see into the future so anything that happens after the decision is made could not have been known at the time.

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I just think it was evident he was a better coach than his ole miss days, and interim stints at superior programs supported that.

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Being interim coach is very different than being permanent head coach.

One is supposed to build and maintain the program and one is a bandaid just trying to slow down the bleeding.

O had proven to be great at the latter. Nothing in his history suggested he could do the former.

But to his credit, he’s changed and no one should complain about what he’s done since the offseason.

So it wasn't a good hire by objective standards like say, Curley Hallman at LSU, Charlie Strong at texas, Rich Rodriguez at Michigan, Charlie Weis at Notre Dame or Kansas, Mike Dubose at Alabama, Larry Coker at Miami, etc....

Was Dabo considered a good hire at Clemson? Les Miles at LSU? I remember how everybody in Miami reacted when Howard Schnellenberger left for the USFL after a NC and they hired a coach with a 29-25-3 at Oklahoma State named Jimmy Johnson. And when JJ left what was the most dominant program in the nation he was replaced with Dennis Erickson and his career 50-31-1 record. Objective standards are great but getting the right fit is more important.