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re: Anybody here still think O was a bad hire?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:20 pm to MStant1
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:20 pm to MStant1
I can't imagine the job meaning as much to anyone as it does to Coach. That, in itself, has to be a major factor in his drive to succeed. I realize it's every coach's job to do lead his program to the best of his ability - but with Coach O and LSU, there just has to be that little extra.
Besides just the sheer joy with our Tigers' success this year, along with lofty expectations for the future, I hope that Coach O will be vindicated some day. Through all the criticism and not always good-natured name calling, I believe he deserves it. But we're not there yet. This season's success and momentum must be sustained over a few more seasons.
Besides just the sheer joy with our Tigers' success this year, along with lofty expectations for the future, I hope that Coach O will be vindicated some day. Through all the criticism and not always good-natured name calling, I believe he deserves it. But we're not there yet. This season's success and momentum must be sustained over a few more seasons.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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Big LSU fan, huh?
Coming from the biggest O hater on here....... I have been watching you,,, You make a few good comments cause there are really zero negatives to say at this point... HOWEVER... you are just waiting in the weeds for a bad outuing or mistakes are made and then you will be back to your normal bashing anti-O self................
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:21 pm to dukke v
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HOWEVER... you are just waiting in the weeds for a bad outuing or mistakes are made and then you will be back to your normal bashing anti-O self................
Can you just frick off with this pathetic crap you constantly post to me?
Here's a post from earlier today:
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a tweet seeming to suggest Coach Orgeron should not really get much credit for this year’s success
That's just dumb. Even if he is only a program manager, he still had to get all the right pieces here, both coaches and players, and motivate them to do what they're doing (not to mention allowing them to do what is necessary to do what they're doing and not getting in the way).
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Perhaps most interesting is Glenn Gullbeau’s comment that the offense should be credited more to Burrow than to Brady
Meh, That kind of discounts the massive improvement in play by the WRs. Burrow is indeed a special talent, but you have to get him in the right scheme to take advantage. We saw what happened last year with Burrow in the wrong scheme.
Even though your dumbass will never say it, I've been nothing but reasonable in forming my opinion on the man and have given him credit anytime it is warranted. I make posts giving him credit all the time lately, because.... wait for it.... he's earned it. What a novel concept.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:26 pm to MountainTiger
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I still believe that the whole process of firing Miles and hiring a new coach was a clusterfrick.
Completely agree.
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it was a trainwreck of a hire and say that it was a bad one that had a decent chance of working out spectacularly
I agree for the most part with the exception that even at the time I had a strong feeling neither Herman or Jimbo were actually in play. LSU decision makers likely knew that too. Herman was a done deal to Texas early that season, too many people knew that's where he wanted to be. No amount of money was going to get him. Jimbo and Sexton wanted a decade guaranteed, that's why it fell apart in 2015. No coach besides Saban is worth being tied to for 10 years.
In that context, the actual field was Orgeron and a whole bunch of guys who were giant maybes just like him. Dabo had, that week, gotten his team back into a playoff spot. Orgeron had gotten players to buy in and was at least willing to try new things with the offense, and had stabilized a top 5 recruiting class that could have easily fallen apart. If you're talking pure probability, I don't think Orgeron was clearly worse than PJ Fleck or Larry Fedora.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:27 pm to Solo Cam
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Before he was hired I said I wouldn’t mind him Herman or Jimbo if O kept his promises. After the Canada experiment and Troy I was all the way out. Didn’t think they should have fired him but said if he regressed in year 2 then fire him. After Auburn last year I said he earned at least another year. After Georgia I said I was in. After the Bama game I said he needed to do something to modernize the offense. He’s done that.
Read: everything I post is based purely on emotion
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:30 pm to Lester Earl
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Read: everything I post is based purely on emotion
I mean, we saw the first two year the downside to the O hire.
He doesn't look like an elite coach when he makes bad hires.
Now if he can really be like Dabo and keep his staff together for 5-6 years than we really have something.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:31 pm to Lester Earl
One thing I'll say, its been underrated of just how much Coach O believes in himself. He believed in himself when he came aboard as a Defensive assistant. He believed in himself when he came on as an interim coach. He believed in himself when he interviewed full time for job. I know its a cliche thought to bring up but his belief and vision is being made reality by his conviction. Orgeron is earning his praise the hard way. Good for him.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:31 pm to The Shed
On paper and at that time, it was a bad hire, secondary to his porous resume. If he hires Brady as an OC or somehow convinces him to stay on board, then I would say that most would have been proven wrong. As of now, he has proven to be a decent hire. He needs hardware or to be competitive against Bama to be considered a great hire. In order to collect the hardware, he will need Brady or another high power offensive coordinator. If he allows Brady to be stolen and sticks with Ensminger, then he will go back to being a very mediocre hire. He is a coach that has to have great coordinators for his operation to be successful. Ensminger never has been and never will be great. The key to being a great coordinator is to constantly evolve and stay ahead of the game. Ensminger will always be a copy cat and will always be playing catch up in the education department.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:32 pm to Todd O'Connor
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I mean, we saw the first two year the downside to the O hire.
He had two decent seasons, while basically revamping a program.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:33 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I had a strong feeling neither Herman or Jimbo were actually in play.
Clearly that was the case for Herman in 2016 and probably Jimbo too. But then why were they even being pursued? I feel like Jimbo might have been in play in 2015 until we left him standing at the alter and retained Miles.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:33 pm to Todd O'Connor
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mean, we saw the first two year the downside to the O hire.
No, you saw only the results and the whole process passed you by. You didn’t understand the roster construction. You don’t understand recruiting. Among other things
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:37 pm to Lester Earl
In 2016, I wanted Alleva to fight harder for Tom Herman. But Coach Eaux has done and excellent job as HC at LSU. I am very pleased.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:38 pm to The Shed
I didn't think he was a great hire but held out hope he would do alright. After the State game I thought he was a bad hire and after the Troy game I thought he was a terrible hire. He had me back on wait and see mode by the end of that first year and once the Miami game with Burrow was complete I started to think that he just may turn it around. He has and I'm glad I was wrong about him turning LSU into a dumpster fire after the State and Troy games.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:38 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Jimbo and Sexton wanted a decade guaranteed, that's why it fell apart in 2015.
Wrong.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:39 pm to Lester Earl
There is no process that involved hiring and firing an OC in 1 year.
There is no process that involves making a second bad OC hire in year 2.
There are roster issues, and there are coaching issues.
And we had coaching issues the last two years on offense.
And kudos to O for continuing to make changes, but saying this was the plan all along? How can you say that looking at the OC hires the last two years.
There is no process that involves making a second bad OC hire in year 2.
There are roster issues, and there are coaching issues.
And we had coaching issues the last two years on offense.
And kudos to O for continuing to make changes, but saying this was the plan all along? How can you say that looking at the OC hires the last two years.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:44 pm to BayouBengals18
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Wrong.
By all means, enlighten me.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:46 pm to Todd O'Connor
Todd if you are sitting here today think this fruitfulness is merely the result of finding the right OC, then I am accurate in thinking you are missing the big picture
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:47 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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while basically revamping a program
Wut?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:48 pm to Y.A. Tittle
He had two decent seasons, while basically revamping a program.
we didn't fire less miles to go 19-7 the next two years.
I didn't expect us to be perfect, but there are several wins that we left on the table because our offense was jsut a hot mess
Troy, Notre Dame, and Florida last year. Averaged 19 points in those loses.
And that three losses that halfway decent offense could have prevented.
we didn't fire less miles to go 19-7 the next two years.
I didn't expect us to be perfect, but there are several wins that we left on the table because our offense was jsut a hot mess
Troy, Notre Dame, and Florida last year. Averaged 19 points in those loses.
And that three losses that halfway decent offense could have prevented.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:50 pm to Lester Earl
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Todd if you are sitting here today think this fruitfulness is merely the result of finding the right OC, then I am accurate in thinking you are missing the big picture
How many talented LSU teams have we seen have terrible offense because of a bad OC?
Brady absolutely was a game changer. And we would have been hoping that experience alone was enough to improve our offense without him. While continuing to do the things we did that hamstrung our best players.
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