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re: Answer me this ( oline )
Posted on 8/10/25 at 1:26 pm to coolpapaboze
Posted on 8/10/25 at 1:26 pm to coolpapaboze
quote:This is the answer.
Brad Davis is a great recruiter but not a good coach
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:30 pm to ODanMan
LSU has had a pretty good offensive line the last few years. The problem with the running game is scheme, play design and general offensive philosophy. If you are constantly giving your running back the ball deep behind the line of scrimmage, you are setting yourself up for failure in the running game.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:36 pm to ODanMan
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We have not ran the ball when it counts for yrs . And i am well aware of 2019 .
We had 3 backs and the QB average over 5 ypc. Diggs had 653 yards in 10 games, and he missed parts of others and played a couple of them banged up. This isn’t setting the world on fire, but it’s effective when paired with a great passing offense.
The issue between the 23 and last year is obvious- Turner was an undersized, but experienced Center who handled the calls well from day one. Chester just wasn’t ready for that job and he struggled. The numbers fell off with one one new player on the OL for a reason.
As for talent, pay more attention. We haven’t had 4 and 5 star depth across the OL, especially in reserve rolls, until this year. If you recall last season, we had a 3 star project redshirt freshman starting at Guard after just 2 injuries to Dellinger and Adams. And the other depth guys? Basically 0 experience and a couple of true freshmen having to take those roles.
As for your star-gazing, Charles Turner started at Centet for 2 seasons and he was a 3 star. Miles Frazier was a 3 star out of HS and he started here for 3 seasons. Our OL was completely depleted leading into 22, with only 3 viable SEC-level OL on the roster before recruiting and the portal. That’s a lot of fricking rebuilding and it was done pretty quickly, all things considered.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:40 pm to coolpapaboze
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3. Our offensive scheme is to blame - we have talent, fundamentals are sound, but the scheme requires things our OL can't do. Or something.
Alex Atkins was brought here to help with the run game for a reason. Our two primary offensive coaches have spent their careers dedicated to the passing game.
Also, the running backs were as much an issue last season as OL in terms of fit with this scheme. Durham and Emery were the only two suited to our offense. You need guys with great vision and a quick first step to the hole. Williams and Jackson were a little too slow and Jackson has terrible vision.
Emery played part of one game and Durham was only 100% for two games. That and Chester’s struggles caused a lot of problems.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:45 pm to misey94
Agreed, our lack of talented RBs has been and issue the last 3 years to be honest. Josh Williams, while a great competitor and Tiger, was not the talent we’ve accustomed to, neither were Noah Cain, Logan Diggs either. Durham is the first rb we’ve had since CEH that is close to talent we’re used to and he was hampered by a toe injury most of last season.
And I’ll add this, when the run game is struggling a little and you have talented QBs like Daniels and Nuss, it’s pretty easy to start abandoning it, especially when the defense isn’t helping you out and you gotta get in shootouts.
And I’ll add this, when the run game is struggling a little and you have talented QBs like Daniels and Nuss, it’s pretty easy to start abandoning it, especially when the defense isn’t helping you out and you gotta get in shootouts.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:50 pm to Reeaholic
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Logan Diggs
Diggs isn’t in the same class as Durham, but he’s good and very versatile. He was definitely a better scheme fit than Cain or Jackson. He was a perfect fit next to Daniels because of that. He has a couple of really strong games in 23, but injuries ended up really limiting him.
Williams didn’t have the talent, but also faired better next to Daniels because he did all of the little things and benefitted from the run threat that Daniels posed. Without that, he struggled more last year. I still respect the hell out of him and how he maxed out what he could do. He has some great moments out there over his 3 seasons getting PT.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:54 pm to Reeaholic
quote:Now do SEC games only and you’ll see a quite different answer.
2022: LSU averaged 5.0 ypc (minus Jayden Daniels 2023. LSU averaged 5.1 ypc (minus Jayden Daniels) 2024: LSU averaged 4.6 ypc (minus Nussmeier)
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:58 pm to StatMaster
quote:
Now do SEC games only and you’ll see a quite different answer.
quote:
StatMaster
You do it and tell us.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 5:49 pm to ODanMan
quote:
Out side of JD LSU oline has gotten their asses stomped it the run game.
But that is not what you said. So say what you mean.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:03 pm to Knight of Old
It’s already happening. A lot of the surprise teams in 2024 went back to running heavy, some from under center. NFL trending that way as well, 10% move from SG to under center in the last 2 seasons league wide with the Mcvay and Reid tree coaches between 60-70% from under center.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:15 pm to ODanMan
I bet Kirby smart would take the same recruits and have better results.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 6:47 pm to ODanMan
It’s literally the first week of camp
We haven’t played a game yet.
Other than media, no one has seen the OLine in camp. No one has seen this OLine in a game.
If you believe the reports that the OL is struggling, you should also believe the fact that the unit can improve in the next 3 weeks.
We haven’t played a game yet.
Other than media, no one has seen the OLine in camp. No one has seen this OLine in a game.
If you believe the reports that the OL is struggling, you should also believe the fact that the unit can improve in the next 3 weeks.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:12 pm to ODanMan
My answer: the defense is elite and the online needs to develop more
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:33 pm to ODanMan
In my opinion this is great news. Every year they tell us some particular position group is loaded and dominating they turn out to be shite.
So I’m glad we are getting bad reports about the oline.
So I’m glad we are getting bad reports about the oline.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 7:38 pm to ODanMan
The OLine is not to blame for the past few years. The defense has been the worst we’ve ever experienced. To have a chance, we literally have to score on nearly every drive.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 8:57 pm to coolpapaboze
My biggest questions this year
1. Will we have a cohesive OL?
2. Will we have a dynamic run game?
If we don’t get a “yes” to both of those questions, it will be a very long season.
I’m concerned that Sloan doesn’t have what it takes to call an offense in the SEC.
1. Will we have a cohesive OL?
2. Will we have a dynamic run game?
If we don’t get a “yes” to both of those questions, it will be a very long season.
I’m concerned that Sloan doesn’t have what it takes to call an offense in the SEC.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 9:56 pm to coolpapaboze
Oh boy, don't get me started on the LSU OL and Brad "Sylvester" Davis. Not interested in opening the worm can on a Sunday night.
The 2019 OL wasn't that great, but Brady schemed around the weakness and had Burrow getting the ball out very fast so they didn't have to hold their blocks too long. (AND Cregg was coaching OL)
That's exactly what Sloan needs to do with Nuss, but will he?
They SHOULD be able to run the ball effectively with Durham, Berry and Jackson AND with Alex "I was fired at Florida State" Atkins holding Sylvester's hand in regards to the running game.
Will they run it effectively?
There's no guarantee of anything. Coulda-Woulda-Shoulda don't count. Do it on the field when the Lights come On!
The 2019 OL wasn't that great, but Brady schemed around the weakness and had Burrow getting the ball out very fast so they didn't have to hold their blocks too long. (AND Cregg was coaching OL)
That's exactly what Sloan needs to do with Nuss, but will he?
They SHOULD be able to run the ball effectively with Durham, Berry and Jackson AND with Alex "I was fired at Florida State" Atkins holding Sylvester's hand in regards to the running game.
Will they run it effectively?
There's no guarantee of anything. Coulda-Woulda-Shoulda don't count. Do it on the field when the Lights come On!
Posted on 8/10/25 at 10:02 pm to nealnan8
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If you are constantly giving your running back the ball deep behind the line of scrimmage, you are setting yourself up for failure in the running game.
You can’t be serious with this statement. LSU had a lot of issues with their run game last year but that could be the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever read on this site.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 8/11/25 at 6:03 am to ODanMan
All of our OLine is pretty much 150th to 200th ranked prospects. No 5 stars. Weston Davis, Adams, Braelin transfer ranking, Thompson transer ranking, DJ Chester. All 150th to 200th ranked. That's not super high but good enough.
Our freshman Curne and Solomon Thomas are by far highest rated Oline prospects we have and they are both true freshman. Both were 50th ranked players.
Our freshman Curne and Solomon Thomas are by far highest rated Oline prospects we have and they are both true freshman. Both were 50th ranked players.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 6:13 am to ODanMan
They “could have went”. Stopped reading right then.
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