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re: An Umpire’s Take on Schnall

Posted on 6/23/25 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by Tiger987
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 12:53 pm to
All good bro
Posted by OutOfNames
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 12:58 pm to
Maybe Schall should have watched game 1. He had no right to complain, until the umpires handed LSU it's two runs back they were owed from game 1, after that, go ahead, start complaining.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
Down Seven Bridges Rd
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:00 pm to
"At that point I said, 'because you missed three!' At that point, ejected. If that warrants an ejection, I'm the first one to stand here and take it like a man and apologize."

Rule 3.6.f. Notes 1 & 2- Ejections

Note 1:"Balls, strikes, half swings or decisions about hit-by-pitch situations are not to be argued. After a warning, any player or coach who continues to argue balls, strikes, half swings or a hit-by-pitch situation shall be ejected from the game. Umpires shall record the warning."

Note 2: "If a coach leaves the dugout or their position to argue a ball or strike call(including a half swing or hit-by-pitch), the coach may be ejected without warning."

Rule 5.15a.1- Game Misconduct

"Unsportsmanlike-Conduct Rule. No coach, player or team personnel shall
at any time, whether from the bench, the coaches’ box, the playing field or
elsewhere:
1) Incite or attempt to incite, by word, sign or actions that dispute an
umpire’s decision
and potentially incites a demonstration by spectators"

PENALTY for (1)—The offender shall be ejected from the contest.

4)No team personnel may continue to argue or to continue to excessively
express themselves with prolonged actions or offensive language after an
ejection.

PENALTY for (4)—An additional two-game suspension is added to any other penalties (see 2-26-h).

He broke the rule in rule 3 for notes 1&2, then broke the rule in Rule 5 by his actions that could incite fans, THEN he continued arguing. After all that he sits in front of a microphone and says "If that warrants an ejection..."

What an absolute stupid person he must be.

Posted by IM_4_LSU
Savannah, GA
Member since Mar 2014
12783 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:01 pm to
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He was given that chance. He used that chance to make a very public and unprofessional comment about what he thought were missed calls, and how many of them.


Literally this ^^^^. He said the exact comment "because you missed three of them to that point." Thats literally arguing balls and strikes in an argumentative and disrepectful manner. He wanted the situation to be de-escalated just like their AD put out. But the entire thing was blown up because the 1B coach kept making comments about balls and strikes and the Head Coach did the same thing instead of just remaining calm and going back to the dugout after he heard the warning.

Jay had to remain calm on Saturday on a bad call he wanted explanation on. He did not, hes prone to aggression and cares more about being shooed and his ego than being in the dugout for his team. It was quite the clown show. Let me insult you in front of everyone but you cannot react because "I'm a grown man."
Posted by ibleedprplngld
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4765 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:02 pm to
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Obviously Schnall has a reputation but if he was talking to the HP ump about the warning given to his 1B coach then he probably at least should have the ability to talk about it with the HP umpire instead of being told to go back in the dugout


In reality, he didn't have to give the 1B coach a warning at all. Only coach allowed to "discuss" calls with an umpire is the HC. He could've tossed the 1B coach right then and there without a warning being issued. It was Schnall's reaction to it all that got him tossed. The asking "for what" a couple times outside of the dugout would've been fine. It's the aggressive "because you missed 3" that he got tossed. Can't be doing that shite.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288692 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:05 pm to
The ump was a bit brief but what has been more appalling to me is there has been zero accountability by Coastal. Just doubling down like it was a random decision by the ump.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60768 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:09 pm to
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he made it known that Schnall has a reputation for being a major douche to umpires and frequently argues about the strike zone.
Not only did he take no responsibility in the presser, he quadrupled down and tried to insult the umpire for taking a tumble. Lets just say you would defend him through the pre series presser and his assholishness, then defend him through his ejection and his aggressiveness, you surely saw his true colors then. Said it before, it is a black mark on Johnson to even mention him as a friend.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7162 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:11 pm to
Ump: I’m issuing a warning.

Coach: For what?

Ump: Arguing balls and strikes. You need to go back to the dugout.

Coach: Well I wasn’t going to say anything, but since you brought it up. You’ve missed 3 calls.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46281 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:12 pm to
he left out the part when he followed up a warning by saying "or fing what!?!?"
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
89139 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

Ump: I’m issuing a warning.

Coach: For what?

Ump: Arguing balls and strikes. You need to go back to the dugout.

Coach: Well I wasn’t going to say anything, but since you brought it up. You’ve missed 3 calls.


if that was an exact transcript then the ump was correct
Posted by geauxtigahhhs
Member since Jun 2025
1110 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

ESPn showed him warning him over and over and he just kept coming. He earned his ejection it wasn’t like he got ejected for chirping from the dugout

This. I have officiated many different sports and have made the mistake of not standing my ground when someone doesnt heed a warning. When you let them walk all over you after being warned you immediately lose control of the entire game and it breaks into straight up chaos where everyone is causing problems arguing every single call no matter how obvious or what side it is. You absolutely have to put your foot down when someone dares you to toss them after warning them. The dipshit coach has been around long enough to know you don’t charge the ump AFTER he’s warned you to stop multiple times. He felt like he could get away with it in a championship game because no one wants to eject a coach or player in one of those and he found out.
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
25779 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:14 pm to
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the aggressive "because you missed 3" that he got tossed.

Correct. Schnall yelled "you missed 3 pitches! You missed 3 pitches!"

At that point he had his explanation for the warning, ignored multiple additional warnings, and continued to argue balls and strikes. He wasn't asking about the warning when he got tossed.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19558 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

This is what “the umpire acted too hastily” people refuse to see or acknowledge.


Based on his comments, this guy thinks it’s his right to argue. He apparently got shut down as an assistant and refused to be “dismissed” by the umps. Well you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. It’s not on the ump to be a Supreme Court justice
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69161 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:16 pm to
I believe it. You only need about 10 seconds of him before you realize he's a massive douche.

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
89139 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

I have officiated many different sports


same, and I was pretty good at it, and had the respect of coaches that knew me, I was pretty good natured but established ground rules right off the bat (pun intended,) and if those boundaries were crossed I had a pretty quick trigger
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12691 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

Obviously Schnall has a reputation but if he was talking to the HP ump about the warning given to his 1B coach then he probably at least should have the ability to talk about it with the HP umpire instead of being told to go back in the dugout

Listen to Jay Johnson talk about the Dickinson HBP review. He says he asked the plate ump if he could come out “to ask a question” (his words, in an attempt to clarify that he didn’t want to argue the call) and was told no, stay in the dugout. Instead of continuing to walk toward the plate, he bit his tongue and went back to the dugout. Why? Because he knew that he might get ejected for continuing to press the issue.

Schnall received the same response after the warning to his 1B coach. He kept walking out. Umpire told him to go back again, he kept walking out. He finally hears that it’s because of arguing balls and strikes. At that point he’s already close to halfway to the plate. If he turns around right there and walks back, it’s over. Instead, he decides to double down with “you already missed on three pitches.” Twice.

There’s no fricking way he’s actually surprised that response got him tossed. He’s already on the field when the ump told him to go back. He’s already received a warning. He’s not even showing any sign of going back to the dugout. The rules don’t allow him to get a second warning for arguing balls and strikes. At that point the ump’s options are either ring him up or pretend he’s not standing on the field doing exactly what you just warned him for.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23071 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

In reality, he didn't have to give the 1B coach a warning at all. Only coach allowed to "discuss" calls with an umpire is the HC. He could've tossed the 1B coach right then and there without a warning being issued. It was Schnall's reaction to it all that got him tossed. The asking "for what" a couple times outside of the dugout would've been fine. It's the aggressive "because you missed 3" that he got tossed. Can't be doing that shite.


I get it but it’s also his 1B coach getting the HC in a pickle imo. Both Schnall and the 1B coach gave off the same agressive vibes and they lost their cool too quick in a big moment. The CC coach they interviewed after the incident during the game even said their coaches can’t let their emotions get the best of them.

Honestly this all started the top of the 1st with whatever gamesmanship Jordan was doing (or at least what Morrison thought he was doing). That imo got the CC coaches all riled up and it spilled over in the bottom half of the inning that eventually led to the ejections.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62191 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:20 pm to
How does a team win 26 straight?

It does it by being able to have a different strike zone than its opponents.

That didn't happen in game 1. Despite the attempts of the catcher to "frame" the pitches, the umpire did a very good job of being consistent. The zone was small relative to other CWS games, but he consistently wouldn't give the outside pitches to RH.

I think he knew he needed a small zone on Sunday. And, when those high strikes were called, it set him off.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
89139 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

The CC coach they interviewed after the incident during the game even said their coaches can’t let their emotions get the best of them.


this is what happened to that coach last night

Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17864 posts
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

I feel like overall media coverage of the CWS final is waaaay down this year due to NBA Game 7.

I’m not sure if SVP even mentioned it on his show last night.


Let's be honest - in most of the country college baseball is not a blip on the radar. We love it here and you can thank Skip for that, it would be the same here now as it is in most of the country had he never come - no need to apologize for that, it's truly a unique and special passion.
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