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re: After reading of Arkys defensive scheme, Pelini lost to MSU
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:57 pm to CharlesLSU
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:57 pm to CharlesLSU
No doubt. I won’t forget. He had all summer and a ton of defensive analysts that broke down film of Leach’s offense for him. Why do you have to lose a game and watch the film to know what you could have done differently. No excuses not to make in game adjustments. He lost that game for us.
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:57 pm to wahoocs
We should have practiced playing zone the whole time preparing for state. Everyone knows that is how you slow down a leach offense. Pellini is a stubborn coach that believes too much on his scheme and has never adjusted well. When you have superior talent it really doesn’t matter, but it will cost us against the better teams.
If we would have just run a simple quarters coverage on a few third downs we would have probably won, but he was determine to watch them destroy our corners.
If we would have just run a simple quarters coverage on a few third downs we would have probably won, but he was determine to watch them destroy our corners.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:15 pm to CharlesLSU
Pelini used to be a good DC but the game has changed since then.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:48 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:This is the reason, in a nutshell...quote:
All he had to do was make a half time adjustment to zone heavy.
Half time adjustment? How do you not start in that? You had over 1 month to prepare for it
Offseason was disrupted. No spring ball. Chaos during what little summer we got. New personnel, and what little experience we had, we lost some of those guys too.
Pelini wants to run a man-oriented scheme. You need to practice your scheme to get it down. You don't "have a month" to prepare for playing zone against the Air Raid, AND have time to try to install your base defense from scratch too.
Orgeron and Pelini made a calculated judgement. The Air Raid offense puts yards up, but you have no idea how much Miss State had implemented and down pat. Costello wasn't a known commodity in this offense. We're running our own high-powered passing attack, should be able to score.
They THOUGHT they could run base (man), outscore MSU, and come out ahead (more time running their scheme of choice).
Losing Stingley really late (like, basically that morning you have to adjust) hurt, because it wasn't just a starter, it was your #1. So it shifted every DB up a notch, and you had guys not ready having to play.
It backfired, State and Costello were further along than we thought, and with the emergency defense we couldn't cover them. And yet, we were still tied late, and with just a bit better performance on either side of the ball we likely escape with a W.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:50 pm to CharlesLSU
Did O & Pelini not watch the YEARS of Leach game tape out there? We all knew what was coming
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:51 pm to bstew3006
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bstew3006
Excerpt from 'Man vs Zone - A Football Encyclopedia". Perhaps this will help you understand:
Corners playing in man coverage have arguably the simplest task in football – “cover that guy, do not let him catch the football”. Corners playing in zone schemes need to be aware of peripheral threats, route combinations, when to pass a guy off, when to pick another guy up, and when the play has unfolded in a way that skews what the coverage looks like on the chalkboard.
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 10/4/20 at 2:02 pm to OKtiger
Maybe at halftime they thought the law of averages would catch up with the fairly perfect QB and receivers catching most of them ??
Posted on 10/4/20 at 4:41 pm to KC Tiger
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KC Tiger
Posted on 10/5/20 at 4:48 am to Elleshoe
Yes. That is how everyone has beaten Leach.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 5:58 am to CharlesLSU
I agree. Making no defensive adjustments at halftime is simply stupid. We were so much better than MSU, but when you put your defense in a losing situation, what do you expect?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 6:15 am to CharlesLSU
All you need to know about the LSU vs Miss State game to know the defense lost the game for LSU is the fact that Miss State threw for over 600 yards on our home field. Mississippi Facking State!!
Posted on 10/5/20 at 6:31 am to Geauxgurt
So we practiced no zone all offseason? And we just have to hope none of our corners get hurt and the defense will be fine?....sounds like great coaching
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 6:34 am
Posted on 10/5/20 at 6:43 am to Geauxgurt
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Unless you practice zone a lot, it usually fails. Especially when most of the LSU corners are man corners.
It’s not as simple as some make it out to be.
And did not say that, but as a high level D coach, you better have some sort of zone coverage in the folder.
My main point was there was zero adjustments.....
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:12 am to CharlesLSU
playing man defense is dangerous against a Mike Leach offense, however when you have young men who are pressed into action because of injuries or sickness, zone coverage schemes takes defensive backs and linebackers to really know where they should be. We did not have that luxury with all the young players we had to put in. Therefore man to man was the most simple defense and it cost us the game.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:42 am to CharlesLSU
I agree. And with the short-handedness of the secondary (no Stingley, Jay Ward actually playing hobbled), that adjustment would seem to have been a no-brainer....might have even helped the pass rush a little bit also...
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 7:43 am
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:46 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Half time adjustment? How do you not start in that? You had over 1 month to prepare for it
Yea he definitely had a month to prepare without one of the best players in college football
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:48 am to Elleshoe
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Our corners couldn’t handle man assignments. You think they would have been more successful not fricking up a zone?
How does Pelini not install zone schemes with 6 weeks to prepare?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:49 am to bluebarracuda
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Yea he definitely had a month to prepare without one of the best players in college football
I’m talking zone schemes. How do you not do any previous film study and see that the defenses that stop leach are zone defenses?
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:49 am to CharlesLSU
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adjustment to zone heavy.
so easy to install. just ask aranda and chavis LULZ
Posted on 10/5/20 at 7:51 am to wahoocs
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Allowing 300+ yds after the catch in that game was criminal
If only there was some form of defense that doesn’t require players to constantly chase players and have their back to the qb, I bet that defense could help limit yac yards
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