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re: Actual Indictment of Dawkins and Gatto read this before posting another word
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:22 pm to Hot Carl
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:22 pm to Hot Carl
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. It don’t look good cause it ain’t good. He got caught
So did about 50 other coaches and programs.
It don’t look good but this IS college basketball as has been for years. Sometimes reality is ugly.
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:23 pm to EA6B
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2. A coach participating in such activity, or just knowing about it is a federal crime if not reported to the university.
I posted a couple of days ago that it didn’t make sense for Wade’s attorney to advise him to not speak with administrators unless there were far larger concerns than his LSU career.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:23 pm to EA6B
Dude do some research before you post. You clearly have no idea how the ncaa works.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:25 pm to scottfruget
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So, if I hear you correctly, adidas giving millions to the university and players is somehow a federal crime and the university a victim?
Yes, if the university admin didn’t know about it.
The defense contends there was no fraud because a deal was made and followed through. They also argue it impossible for the universities not to know.
So they leak a wiretap of WW to put LSU in a tight spot. WW is suspended and they want to find out what his “full story” is. Is he talking about college basketball recruiting in general or LSU admin?
Not all NCAA violations are criminal but some crimes are also NCAA violations. Thus the overlap.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:26 pm to Rebel
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How in the hell did you infer that the OP was making that claim?
I posted the actual justice department written indictment on which this enter fiasco is based, thinking people would actually want to see what the case is about, and how the NCAA rules are even a part of the criminal indictment, but now they want to kill the messenger.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:27 pm to Hot Carl
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I don’t think the FBI cares about LSU. The NCAA does, and what the feds uncover about Wade while Investigating Dawkins will be used against Wade and LSU.
I've have said this repeatedly in many threads. It needs to be stickied, along with several other things (In fact, I tried to get a post with several articles pertaining to this trial stickied.) If people would actually READ into this FBI probe and trial, they'd know all of this.
It's obvious the mods don't care if people keep asking the same questions/saying the same ignorant things or keep making uninformed threads pertaining to this subject.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:28 pm to EA6B
It’s been like that for a couple of days now. Anyone stating anything other than “fire muh AD” is called stupid.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:30 pm to ScaryClown
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Dude do some research before you post. You clearly have no idea how the ncaa works.
You cant be serious, I post the actual justice department indictment with the applicable NCAA rules contained in the indictment. It is not my opinion, it is the facts as seen by the federal prosecutors. In my world that is called "research". Sorry I threated what you want to believe with some factual information.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:31 pm to EA6B
Indictments are not facts; instead they comprise allegations of facts, as well as the government (grand jury) opinion of the law. They are not authoritative, which is why we have judges and trials and opportunities for appeal.
Defense attorneys and others can disagree with the government interpretation and should not be ridiculed for doing so.
Personally, I believe the indictment is over-reaching.
Defense attorneys and others can disagree with the government interpretation and should not be ridiculed for doing so.
Personally, I believe the indictment is over-reaching.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:32 pm to Hot Carl
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How is the OP downvoted?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:37 pm to EA6B
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A and "offer" of prohibited
Could the offer have been a full ride?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:37 pm to uftiger
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Indictments are not facts; instead they comprise allegations of facts, as well as the government (grand jury) opinion of the law. They are not authoritative, which is why we have judges and trials and opportunities for appeal.
I qualified with "facts as seen by prosecutors", my statement of "providing facts" was more to the point that this is the "actually indictment" not my interpretation, my writing is obviously not up to legal scrutiny. But, I give up, most here are not going to read indictment, they will keep believing whatever makes them feel better.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:50 pm to EA6B
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The universities are offering scholarships to players who they believe to be eligible to play. Having accepted deals made possible by Dawkins, Gatto, Coaches etc, the players are no longer eligble to play, and are receiving scholarships through fraud.
Gonna be an interesting Cell Block with all the coaches, players, AAU trash and shoe company people guilty of this start being convicted of this.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:03 pm to EA6B
I quit reading when they said the NCAA is a non profit organization
Technically it may be, but what it really is is a monopoly set up to conttol expenses, and at the same time maximize revenues for its members.
As a result an unnatural system has evolved with schools, coaches and administrators making large sums of monies while athletes who bring in the dollars get college scholarships which are relatively cheap compared to the value of certain athletes in the profitable sports.
The system that has evolved has built a system of minor league football for the NFL, thus saving pro teams millions of dollars.
The NBA is much different. They force kids who would do much better by skipping college to go to college rather than straight to pro ball.
All of this has created a shadow system where schools, agents and coaches fight over the services of athletes. They won't legalize paying these athletes because if they did then they would have to pay all their athletes. This shadow system allows just the elite athletes in big revenue sports to get paid.
I suggest it's in the NCAA's best interest to let the shadow system continue. It's cheaper for them and these elite athletes get some of the pie and not just crumbs.
Technically it may be, but what it really is is a monopoly set up to conttol expenses, and at the same time maximize revenues for its members.
As a result an unnatural system has evolved with schools, coaches and administrators making large sums of monies while athletes who bring in the dollars get college scholarships which are relatively cheap compared to the value of certain athletes in the profitable sports.
The system that has evolved has built a system of minor league football for the NFL, thus saving pro teams millions of dollars.
The NBA is much different. They force kids who would do much better by skipping college to go to college rather than straight to pro ball.
All of this has created a shadow system where schools, agents and coaches fight over the services of athletes. They won't legalize paying these athletes because if they did then they would have to pay all their athletes. This shadow system allows just the elite athletes in big revenue sports to get paid.
I suggest it's in the NCAA's best interest to let the shadow system continue. It's cheaper for them and these elite athletes get some of the pie and not just crumbs.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:07 pm to EA6B
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I qualified with "facts as seen by prosecutors", my statement of "providing facts" was more to the point that this is the "actually indictment" not my interpretation, my writing is obviously not up to legal scrutiny.
Ok, but you posted the “qualification” 61 minutes after your initial post, and long after several “unqualified” statements. You also posted it 1 minute before my criticism; thus, I was writing and did not see it.
Still, you did not clarify that legal analysis in an indictment is just an opinion, as well.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:07 pm to EA6B
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I posted the actual justice department written indictment on which this enter fiasco is based, thinking people would actually want to see what the case is about, and how the NCAA rules are even a part of the criminal indictment, but now they want to kill the messenger
It was a good post. But this is The Rant, where stupidity comes to ferment.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:09 pm to doubleb
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:10 pm to EA6B
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That's all fine and well, but this is for the people that want to discuss the issue. And if you are going to discuss it you might as well use actually facts, not what you think is or is not against the law and NCAA rules.
Perhaps I wasn’t clear you dumb frick.
EVERYONE cheats. On that level playing field, LSU just won the title.
GFY
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:12 pm to Hot Carl
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How is the OP downvoted? we have some of the most embarrassingly stupidest, whiningist, “the whole whole world is against us,” love to play the victim fans in America. And the absolute hypocricy that these same folks are so in-self aware that they accuse other groups on other boards of thinking and behaving ECACTLY like are, would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad. I love Will Wade. Still. Hope he survives and coaches at LSU another 20 years. But open your motherfricking eyes, children. It don’t look good cause it ain’t good. He got caught.
Amen!
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:15 pm to doubleb
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I quit reading when they said the NCAA is a non profit organization
A few decades ago the government unsuccessfully challenged the way the NCAA reported advertising revenues from the basketball tournament. The court’s decision was seriously flawed and is often criticized.
The dollar amounts are now so much greater, I would not be surprised at another attempt. Indeed, in my opinion, they are such the NCAA should lose its tax exempt status. We will see.
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