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re: Actual Indictment of Dawkins and Gatto read this before posting another word
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:22 pm to EA6B
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:22 pm to EA6B
OP what is your point? We know rules are being broken.
Lolol
quote:
1. A "offer" of prohibited services is against the rules, money does not have to change hands.
Lolol
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Good coaches separate themselves from the dirty work
No doubt. That's what runners are for.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:24 pm to Tigers eyes
Well that is the interesting thing about the whole situation, why is this illegal now and will this set a precedent that NCAA violations are also criminal. Why are college coaches being wire tapped then released to the public. Really overstepping IMO.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:27 pm to brass2mouth
What illegal enhancement did Wade offer to Smart or anyone else? I cannot see that in those illegally leaked transcripts of a tape the judge wont allow into the court proceedings.
We can IMAGINE all sorts of things he might have offered but do not have evidence of any one thing he offered.
Has the NCAA even heard the tapes? Is all the NCAA might have what YahooSports chose to release? Is everything on YahooSports always true and factual? How do we even know their copy of a transcript is accurate?
We can IMAGINE all sorts of things he might have offered but do not have evidence of any one thing he offered.
Has the NCAA even heard the tapes? Is all the NCAA might have what YahooSports chose to release? Is everything on YahooSports always true and factual? How do we even know their copy of a transcript is accurate?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:27 pm to tom
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So your theory is that the FBI has evidence that Will Wade committed a crime by paying a player and yet, despite pursuing far weaker cases against bagmen, is not interested in prosecuting him?
I have no theory, never said I did, I have no opinion on what is in the indictment. I simply posted a justice department document that explains the case against Gatto and Dawkins, and explains a lot of the NCAA applicable rules. Apparently by trying to make out the messenger to be a idiot/band guy it will somehow make the document go away (not directed at you).
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:29 pm to EA6B
I think it's time for the feds to get out of the business of trying to run everything. We've got better things to do with our federal tax dollars than track down student athletes eligibility. These folks are being prosecuted on federal fraud charges which are so broad it means anything involving a telephone. Let's put the feds back in the box.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:33 pm to brass2mouth
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But but officer there were three other cars speeding with me, this is an injustice!
This is a little different than a speeding ticket don’t you think. How many lives are ruined by that speeding ticket?
But I get your point. And yeah wade got caught and it’s bad and it sucks. But for the national sports media and blue blood coaches to stick their heads in the sand and let a coach that’s not in their elite club take the fall, is intellectually dishonest at best and completely immoral at worst.
Now of course no one will just out themselves but the moral virtue signaling is disgusting.
For Pete’s sake, Boeheim kills a person with his vehicle and was coaching the next game.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:34 pm to ExpoTiger
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OP what is your point? We know rules are being broken.
quote:
1. A "offer" of prohibited services is against the rules, money does not have to change hands.
I don't have a point I just furnished information, make of it what you want. Since you pointed it out, it has been said a thousand times on this board since the tapes surfaced that wade "if" making a "offer" of prohibited compensation is not a violation if no money changed hands , obvious not true according to the NCAA rules quoted in the indictment. Everyone is free to make their own opinion of what Wade was talking about by the terms "strong offer", I am not offering one.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:40 pm to Srobi14
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Well that is the interesting thing about the whole situation, why is this illegal now and will this set a precedent that NCAA violations are also criminal. Why are college coaches being wire tapped then released to the public. Really overstepping IMO.
It’s bigger than that.
Say I develop a drink that can help you pass a pee test if you smoke Mary Jane. But I only sell it in Colorado where it’s legal. I can be prosecuted by the FBI for defrauding CO companies that still fire people for smoking blunts (like the Broncos) if I sell it or even GIVE it to anyone. Even though smoking marijuana is perfectly legal there. No law broken at all.
What????!!!!!
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:40 pm to The First Cut
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Anyone stating anything other than “fire muh AD” is called stupid
Because you are a fricking retard if you believe the current AD should keep his job
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:44 pm to GeorgeWest
You have to remember that Wade isn't on trial or being prosecuted. He has been asked to be a witness/give testimony in regards to Dawkins who was under FBI investigation. The OP shared what Dawkins was charged with, which seems to be making NCAA violations due to paying student athletes without the universities knowledge. In fact he was just a middle man who seems to be a fall guy for major apparel companies that are actually reimbursing the athletes in exchange for advertisement from university. Dawkins has since been sentenced to 6 months and it appears is leaking these recorded conversations with our coach to show universities were aware of deals made with athletes in an attempt to appeal to public opinion. Unfortunately for them no one really understands this complicated case or knows what is really going on.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:44 pm to EA6B
quote:Well, that's kind of the point dude. To say that he is stone cold busted (not you, but others) hinges on where the "evidence" is, and people are saying that his words in the conversation are the "evidence". And by the way before anybody has an aneurysm on me, when I say evidence, I mean for the NCAA. But anyway, the problem is that what he says can be interpreted in so many different ways.
Everyone is free to make their own opinion of what Wade was talking about by the terms "strong offer", I am not offering one.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:44 pm to EA6B
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It is explained in plain English in the federal indictment I posted, just read it and you will become one of maybe 5 people on this board that actually understands the issues. But just to be nice, here is a cliff note. The universities are offering scholarships to players who they believe to be eligible to play. Having accepted deals made possible by Dawkins, Gatto, Coaches etc, the players are no longer eligble to play, and are receiving scholarships through fraud.
You forgot the word "allegedly" in everything you posted. I hope we see more than the released transcript because it that's all they have they have no case.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:48 pm to EA6B
It’s a ridiculous notion that the schools are the “victims” of these “crimes.”
Which is probably why the judge let them off with extremely light sentences in the first trial.
I 100% agree with the defense. That said, I care more about LSU than Dawkins, so currently I’m not a big fan of the defense team.
Which is probably why the judge let them off with extremely light sentences in the first trial.
I 100% agree with the defense. That said, I care more about LSU than Dawkins, so currently I’m not a big fan of the defense team.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:52 pm to Hot Carl
quote:Absolutely.....on this board and in the fan base, but the demographic of the two is totally different.
we have some of the most embarrassingly stupidest, whiningist, “the whole whole world is against us,” love to play the victim fans in America.
The Tiger Rant is majority bored high school and college student fartknockers with too much free time on their hands.
The majority of the LSU fan base is a much older and totally different group of people that actually have lives. (Adult Pump Lumps being the exception)
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:56 pm to semjase
The rant knows we probably cheated. Every LSU with a brain knows we probably cheat in football too. (Yeah Patrick Peterson came here ONLY cuz he loves LSU).
Don’t be that guy. We know.
This thread is about the fbi indictments
Don’t be that guy. We know.
This thread is about the fbi indictments
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:58 pm to CptBengal
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How is the OP downvoted?
because the post sucks
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:02 pm to Srobi14
OP seems to be correct based on that indictment. Assuming what the US Attorney's are alleging is a correct interpretation of federal fraud statutes, and based on the fact that there are already convictions its safe to say it is, then anyone who knowingly does anything that makes an NCAA player ineligible is committing fraud under federal law. Wow. That is prosecutors stretching the law if ever I've seen it.
It wouldn't shock me if there's some revised statutes or overturns on appeal in the wake of this, because that's a hell of a precedent to set. Regardless, it seems like if Wade gave any sort of benefit to Smart that he knew would make him ineligible, then he is guilty of a federal crime. Smart is guilty of a federal crime. Smart's mom is guilty of a federal crime. Zion's dad is guilty of a federal crime. Colin Sexton is guilty of a federal crime. Deandre Ayton is guilty of a federal crime. Bill Self is guilty of a federal crime.
Yet none of the above have been charged. Despite the FBI clearly being in possession of fairly damning tapes. The question is why? Is it prosecutorial discretion? They know going after the coaches and players will piss people and just don't think it's worth it? Is it because they don't feel they have enough on the coaches? All they have are the leaked conversations and that's not enough to indict Wade. That's why he and Miller have been subpoenaed, so the defense can ask them what exactly those calls were about.
In that case they'll absolutely plead the fifth. Interesting.
It wouldn't shock me if there's some revised statutes or overturns on appeal in the wake of this, because that's a hell of a precedent to set. Regardless, it seems like if Wade gave any sort of benefit to Smart that he knew would make him ineligible, then he is guilty of a federal crime. Smart is guilty of a federal crime. Smart's mom is guilty of a federal crime. Zion's dad is guilty of a federal crime. Colin Sexton is guilty of a federal crime. Deandre Ayton is guilty of a federal crime. Bill Self is guilty of a federal crime.
Yet none of the above have been charged. Despite the FBI clearly being in possession of fairly damning tapes. The question is why? Is it prosecutorial discretion? They know going after the coaches and players will piss people and just don't think it's worth it? Is it because they don't feel they have enough on the coaches? All they have are the leaked conversations and that's not enough to indict Wade. That's why he and Miller have been subpoenaed, so the defense can ask them what exactly those calls were about.
In that case they'll absolutely plead the fifth. Interesting.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:04 pm to Adajax
That’s the part I don’t understand. Why all the other coaches and schools aren’t getting the same shite as coach wade is.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:05 pm to tigerfan88
Cuz none of this is about any of them. It’s one big ole shakedown. Look at the players. Why is adidas in the crosshairs but athletes and their parents aren’t ?
Cuz adidas is rich
Cuz adidas is rich
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