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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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there is no reason we had to waste 2017 and 2018 to get there, then
So your issue is it took 2.5 years for O to deliver the most prolific offense in CFB history, a Heisman winner, an undefeated NC and arguably the greatest CFB team in NCAA history?
Man, you're right. O needs to do better.
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Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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hopefully, O used this as a lesson and got off his arse and did finally learn he has to constantly adapt and it won't be a one-time boom
What a ridiculous post. Just admit either you were wrong or you still are Don Quixote and think he's a bad hire. The man just won the National Title and you can't be happy or give him credit.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
I love ya man. I really do. You can have this shirt right off my back. But Imma need you to calm the frick down and stop being an LSU Football Sky Screamer. It’s a BAD look.
Just say “ sorry for being an insufferable arse, I had anxiety about the hire and was spewing negativity everywhere like a spoiled little boy who didn’t get the super shiny plastic thing he wanted for Christmas , and you were right that I needed to wait and see and I am now pleasantly surprised and I apologize from the bottom of my formerly black heart for spewing my tiny- dicked fear and anxiety all over this board. Forgive me, Uncle Pimp and fellow Tigers.I should have listened. I should have been patient. I should have reserved judgement. I should have admitted I didn’t have all the facts and couldn’t predict the future. I should have exercised some BASIC HUMILITY. I was...wait for it...WRONG.”
Just say “ sorry for being an insufferable arse, I had anxiety about the hire and was spewing negativity everywhere like a spoiled little boy who didn’t get the super shiny plastic thing he wanted for Christmas , and you were right that I needed to wait and see and I am now pleasantly surprised and I apologize from the bottom of my formerly black heart for spewing my tiny- dicked fear and anxiety all over this board. Forgive me, Uncle Pimp and fellow Tigers.I should have listened. I should have been patient. I should have reserved judgement. I should have admitted I didn’t have all the facts and couldn’t predict the future. I should have exercised some BASIC HUMILITY. I was...wait for it...WRONG.”
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:49 am to I-59 Tiger
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What a ridiculous post. Just admit either you were wrong or you still are Don Quixote and think he's a bad hire.
i still think he was a bad hire but i'm very glad everything fell into place for 2019, even if it is our only year of glory under O (hopefully it's not)
i'm not a results-oriented guy though. that's how we got stuck with miles for so long
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:51 am to BayouCowboy
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So your issue is it took 2.5 years for O to deliver the most prolific offense in CFB history, a Heisman winner, an undefeated NC and arguably the greatest CFB team in NCAA history?
no it took 2.5 years for this alleged vision to come to fruition, which makes no sense from the standpoint of 2016 and our HC hire
either O had no vision, a bad vision, or an incorrect vision in 2016. i go with "no vision" personally. i don't think O had a clue of what he wanted on offense, and it took 3 tries (and a ton of luck with Burrow) to finally work
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:55 am to Lsupimp
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Just say “ sorry for being an insufferable arse, I had anxiety about the hire and was spewing negativity everywhere like a spoiled little boy who didn’t get the super shiny plastic thing he wanted for Christmas , and you were right that I needed to wait and see and I am now pleasantly surprised and I apologize from the bottom of my formerly black heart for spewing my tiny- dicked fear and anxiety all over this board. Forgive me, Uncle Pimp and fellow Tigers.I should have listened. I should have been patient. I should have reserved judgement. I should have admitted I didn’t have all the facts and couldn’t predict the future. I should have exercised some BASIC HUMILITY. I was...wait for it...WRONG.”
if you call an all-in for your entire stack for what you know is a 2-outer on the flop, do we need to wait and see if that was a good decision? does hitting that 2-outer change the decision at the time?
i'm super glad 2019 happened. i don't expect O to repeat it b/c i don't expect anyone to repeat it anytime soon. but now he has to continue to build and make the playoffs consistently. we cannot move the goal posts b/c of one magical 2-outer and accept 2017-2018 as the norm.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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no it took 2.5 years for this alleged vision to come to fruition, which makes no sense from the standpoint of 2016 and our HC hire
either O had no vision, a bad vision, or an incorrect vision in 2016. i go with "no vision" personally. i don't think O had a clue of what he wanted on offense, and it took 3 tries (and a ton of luck with Burrow) to finally work
you keep harping on vision and pointing to the QB and OC hires, but continue to ignore how bad Miles left the o-line and d-line. especially when it comes to quality starters and depth...a vision starts in the trenches as well and it takes more than one class of recruits to build both in quality and depth that you need to compete, yet CEO has improved each year...
You also point out if he doesn't get Burrow, if he doesn't get this or that...if he hadn't got them you would be one of the sky screamers "see Coach O can't get the recruits and personal he needs to be a winner to get us to the next level!"
Well he got them and now you are sky screaming "oh he was lucky"
You ran your mouth in a post that you can tell what coach has "it" to be elite and Coach O doesn't have it and never will...well you were wrong...stop trying to save face and just admit you were wrong in your assessment, eat crow and move on...
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:06 am to Lsupimp
Thrilled to have been wrong on Orgeron. However just because it worked out doesn’t mean it’s a way to make decisions going forward. For example you can split face cards at a blackjack table and win both but it’s a bad bet to make. At the time LSU firing a coach mid season and not having a legitimate search plan in place was a cluster.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I was in the why O camp as well. And still defend my position, there was no way to predict him being an efficient and successful head coach.
either O had no vision, a bad vision, or an incorrect vision in 2016. i go with "no vision" personally. i don't think O had a clue of what he wanted on offense, and it took 3 tries (and a ton of luck with Burrow) to finally work
That being said, the total program management seems to be matching up with a long term run versus lightning in a bottle.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't think O had a clue of what he wanted on offense, and it took 3 tries (and a ton of luck with Burrow) to finally work
You reaching now SFP. I think you and Lester are paid Admins sometimes just here to keep conversations/arguments going. I think this is a conversation if Coach O hadn't done what he did in the short time he has been our head coach. Hell the last years of Les we struggled to get 10 wins. In Coach O's short stint here he was one unlucky one hand catch of having 10 win season(Notre Dame bowl game), next year 10 win season, last season 15-0 a NATTY, top 5 recruiting seasons. Just stop with this lucky BS.
This post was edited on 5/20/20 at 9:10 am
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:13 am to FLBooGoTigs1
quote:Yeah, you really can't deny the trajectory. We are recruiting nationally, no drama, and winning with a team that seems to be a tight knit bunch.
In Coach O's short stint here he was one unlucky one hand catch of having 10 win season(Notre Dame bowl game), next year 10 win season, last season 15-0 a NATTY, top 5 recruiting seasons. Just stop with this lucky BS.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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no it took 2.5 years for this alleged vision to come to fruition,
c'mon jake, there was some work to be done and you know that. Offensive system aside, the roster had some holes.
2.5 years is that long of a time period.
There were a few hiccups but in reality there has always been a slow, upwards trajectory
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:17 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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15-0 a NATTY, top 5 recruiting seasons. Just stop with this lucky BS
he sounds like some random Tennessee fan who is glad they won the Gator Bowl but doesn't think its really a big deal.
Slow,hate to break it to you, but Ed Orgeron just won the National Title. Took down Dan Mullen,Tom Herman,Nick Saban, Kirby Smart and Dabo Swinney along the way.
Stop clinging to the Troy game as if to validate what you posted. TRY for ONCE to enjoy LSU's success.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:25 am to Lester Earl
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c'mon jake, there was some work to be done and you know that. Offensive system aside, the roster had some holes.
i'm only talking about his vision, not winning titles
i didn't expect him to do that in 2017 and certainly not 2018 b/c of what Miles left at QB
what O could control is things like system, which we farted around with for a couple years. you have to admit this
defensively O was also protected somewhat b/c of Aranda. like i said now he gets to put his stamp on D but i'm not that worried about a 4-man front or Bo P running things
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:27 am to LSURulzSEC
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you keep harping on vision and pointing to the QB and OC hires, but continue to ignore how bad Miles left the o-line and d-line.
what does the DL have to do with offensive philosophy?
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Well he got them and now you are sky screaming "oh he was lucky"
he was lucky. we are lucky he got his head out of his arse last year and installed a real offense or else we would have wasted a generational talent like we did in 2018
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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no it took 2.5 years for this alleged vision to come to fruition,
A relatively short time
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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what O could control is things like system, which we farted around with for a couple years. you have to admit this
and what about the players & roster construction? Pretty huge what he did rather quickly at some bare positions.
Everyone focused on how wrong he was about Canada after firing him, but the willingness to get it right is a mindset shared by many successful people.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:34 am to dandan
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For example you can split face cards at a blackjack table and win both but it’s a bad bet to make
i used a similar, gambling example
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
just admit you were wrong. You can do it.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 9:39 am to Lester Earl
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and what about the players & roster construction? Pretty huge what he did rather quickly at some bare positions.
a. they weren't THAT bare. this is a myth (and i was no Les Miles apologist)
b. they shouldn't affect our system. hell the spread/RPO hid a lot of OL issues last year. no reason it wouldn't have in 2017-2018
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Everyone focused on how wrong he was about Canada after firing him,
and if it was just that, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as following it up with E's dinosaur offense in 2018
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but the willingness to get it right is a mindset shared by many successful people.
i understand and said as much in my original response
but i have to point out, again, that i was responding primarily to a claim about vision. 2 massive overhauls on offense doesn't defend the position that he had a vision (or at least a good one) in 2016 when he was selling himself for the job
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