re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...

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You want him to make the playoffs 5 straight years ?

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no and i don't expect that

i'm asking if he makes it 0 times in the next 5 years, how people who are propping him up as elite will rate him

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yeah it's wasn't THAT bad early on in O's tenure and it was helped out by the system and Burrow last year

bad systems make OL look bad and good systems make OL look good. never forget that

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I never said it was that bad, I said it lacked quality and depth which it did and O has upgraded it over the past few season that enabled it to give Burrow the protection he needed to do what he did best, if O doesn't upgrade that OL 2019 doesn't happen...never forget that...

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you didn't answer the question. if O doesn't make the playoff 2021-2025, do you still consider him an elite coach?

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actually I did, I said we will cross that bridge when we come to it in 5 years...for a lawyer I thought you would be better at reading and comprehension...just because someone doesn't make the playoffs for 5 years does not mean they are not elite...what if he loses only 1 game each one of those years and that one game keeps them out of the playoffs the other three teams are all undefeated?

See two can play the hypothetical game...

Like I told you, stop kicking the can down the road in an futile attempt to save face because you were wrong with all these hypothetical questions...

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the Canada hire wasn't nearly as bad as the E hire for 2018. he had to "learn again" for 2019

also, the larger point of my comments in this thread about our offensive style is that we've had 3 distinct offensive styles since O was head coach. the argument i responded to said he had 1 vision, which would mean 1 style. you can't reconcile "one vision" with "3 very different offenses".

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His vision was to make this team a winner and to win a national championship and he adjusted "three times" in order to find something that worked for that vision...you don't keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, like what you are doing instead of just admitting you were wrong...

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Justin McMillan was our starter in 2018 if Burrow doesn't come here

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Ok I forgot about McMillan, see how easy that was to admit to something?

I won’t say he is elite if he doesn’t make the playoffs again. But I think is more than a one hit wonder.....100% of coaches are only as good as the staffs they put together and let them do what they do. IMO LSU had a pretty elite staff last year and everything fell into place.

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gain, as you did on the thread I linked back in 2016, you are PROJECTING a WORST CASE SCENARIO

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i think this is your disconnect, he's asking if that happens, he's not projecting or even predicting something will happen, it's a legitimate question. Was this season just a matter or lucking into an all timer at QB or is it sustainable? Please note by saying. they were lucky to get Burrow, I'm not trying to discredit O, he knew he needed a QB and went out and found one, he took at chance on Burrow and Burrow took a chance on LSU, that both, especially LSU had no other option doesn't change that. Where we were really lucky is that JB was eligible right away AND had 2 years left. If we don;t have JB in 2018, we're at best 7-5 maybe 6-6 and the mood going into to 19 is very different. O also deserves credit for realizing after the 2018 Bama game that he need to changed the Offense again and went out and took a flyer on Brady. It worked now the question is was it a one off and 9-10 wins will be the ceiling again or will he be able to build a consistent contender? (also not 19 can never be duplicated but it doesn't have to be to contend for titles).

I can only speak for myself but i'm very happy with the direction of the program, so i think we have a great shot to make another playoff run in the next 4-5 years. I think it is a reasonable expectation for LSU to contend for the SEC CG and playoffs at least every 4-5 years. This year I'd expect a step back to 9-10 wins but after that, i expect another run.

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You guys are gonna run out of ink in your computer/phone

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that's how glenn frey died

Shitty comeback. As usual I have left you with NO answer..... have a nice day.

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a. they weren't THAT bare. this is a myth (and i was no Les Miles apologist)

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dude.

WR

OL

and LB

were pretty bad


And there was no QB in the room ready to play.

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Well, I'm sure he is at least optimistic that Coach O along with Steve Ensminger have finally given us the modern offense we craved, that we have replaced Brady with another assistant who we think can do similar things and who may even introduce a few new wrinkles. So he has no need to keep freaking out.

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I will say this, if O can get us back in the CFP in 2020 I will be surprised. Consider what we lost:
Coaches: Brady, Aranda, Meatball, Tommie and some support staff
Starters on offense:
QB, RB1, LT, LG, C, RG, WR2, TE
Defense:
DT, S, CB, OLB, ILB, ILB
That's a lot of new faces with no spring practices. I still think 11-2 is reasonable.

On the flip side, I expect us to be favored to make the CFP in 2021 when we go from an inexperienced team to a veteran team with a settled staff.

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would say, one can just as easily argue 2018 was a necessary stepping stone to get us to 2019, as you could argue it was a “wasted year.”

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maybe but O said that after the 2018 Bama game he realized he really need to change, that doesn't go along with the "He had a vision all along narrative" nor does several comments prior to 2019 about wanting the USC offense which is nothing like what we ran in 2019. Please note, I don't really care that it wasn't his vision all along since he was willing to change and not just die on the hill with his guy E like Miles with Cam and DiNardo with Tepper.

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maybe but O said that after the 2018 Bama game he realized he really need to change, that doesn't go along with the "He had a vision all along narrative" nor does several comments prior to 2019 about wanting the USC offense which is nothing like what we ran in 2019. Please note, I don't really care that it wasn't his vision all along since he was willing to change and not just die on the hill with his guy E like Miles with Cam and DiNardo with Tepper.

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Yeah, my point really doesn't have anything to do with the "he had a vision all along narrative" - whatever the heck that might be. I would never argue that what happened in 2019 was his exact "vision." I do think, a lot of what was done in 2018 helped us get to that point, though.

Which is why it's hard for me to look back and somehow lament on it being a "lost season."