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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:19 pm to cypresstiger
Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:19 pm to cypresstiger
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"Pimp! The worst case scenario just happened! The man least qualified to be the head coach of a top-10 program got promoted because Alleva "felt" it was the right thing in "his heart."
The fan-base was promised someone who had substantial experience with success, but instead got handed someone who lost 4 games as interim HC at both USC and LSU."
-----wow, that post didn't age well
That post aged fine. People cant seem to wrap their heads around 2 equally true things.
1)Ed Orgeron was not really qualified to be hired to coach LSU. He had a horrendous head coaching resume. He was a 4th option and Alleva botched the frick out of the search.
2)Ed Orgeron may go down as the greatest coach we've ever had. We are so fricking lucky we didnt hire the better candidates. Sometimes its the chick you dont see coming that ends up being your wife for 50 years.
Out there somewhere is a safeties coach for some D2 program that, if given the opportunity, could be hired by Texas and build a great program. Just a buried diamond of a candidate. UT would be insane to hire that person, and no program can hope to be that lucky. We were.
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 4:31 pm to Hester Carries
He inherited a completely bare cupboard at a perennial SEC doormat and was given only 3 seasons. It was also reported that he did not have the support of a lot of the major boosters from day 1. not saying his record was insignificant but it was very easy to downplay.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 6:05 pm to Lsupimp
Personally, I was not a fan of the hire only because they took the easy path so to speak. Only time I really caved to my emotions on Orgeron was when we lost to troy. But for the most part was happy for O and fine with him getting the job, again just not the way they hired him.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:16 pm to Hester Carries
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1)Ed Orgeron was not really qualified to be hired to coach LSU. He had a horrendous head coaching resume. He was a 4th option and Alleva botched the frick out of the search.
This is complete bullshite. The hiring was not botched. If anything, the LSU President botched it the year before when Alleva wanted to fire Miles. The next year when Alleva did fire Miles, he wanted to hire Jimbo, but not at the ridiculous price tag. Alleva didn’t botch the Jimbo [non] hire. Alleva offered Herman, who I then thought was the best choice. But Herman wanted, and got, Texas all along. No botch there. After that, there were other coaches more proven, but nothing really special. Alleva listened to O’s pitch and vision for what O wanted and was committed to do at LSU. Thank God Alleva listened. Alleva is not popular on here for many valid reasons, but to say Alleva botched the hire is bullshite. Alleva nailed the hire.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 8:43 pm to Stevo
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Alleva nailed the hire.
Alleva shanked his drive and it hit a power line, and then landed in the back of truck that was driving by, and then bounced out and was picked up by a bird that dropped it in the hole for a hole in one.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 8:54 pm to Hester Carries
That's what you call this last season? Weird. Guess you, Rickdaddy, Schwartzy, and Lnchbx were right all along.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 8:59 pm to Hester Carries
Your ability to critically think is lacking
Posted on 5/19/20 at 9:32 pm to Penrod
LBCHBOX was one of the original O haters. He’s always wrong.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:24 pm to I-59 Tiger
It was more than 5 or 6
Many said at least we will get a real coach when he fails
Many said at least we will get a real coach when he fails
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:33 pm to Hester Carries
quote:I guess that sounded really witty and funny in your head?
Alleva shanked his drive and it hit a power line, and then landed in the back of truck that was driving by, and then bounced out and was picked up by a bird that dropped it in the hole for a hole in one.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:00 pm to Lsupimp
WHERE ARE THE BUZZARDS PIMP
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:24 am to Stevo
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Alleva listened to O’s pitch and vision for what O wanted and was committed to do at LSU.
let's be clear, O had 2.5 years before 2019 to display this vision. so either his original vision was bad (and he adapted) or he completely failed for 2 years at implementing his vision.
Joe Burow saved O's career at LSU. if Haskins gets hurt or Meyer picks Burrow, O is fired after 2018 b/c we would have SUCKED that year without Burrow
hopefully, O used this as a lesson and got off his arse and did finally learn he has to constantly adapt and it won't be a one-time boom. hopefully O doesn't turn into Miles after he won, where he became so insulated he ignored what was going on around CFB and refused to adapt.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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hopefully, O used this as a lesson and got off his arse and did finally learn he has to constantly adapt and it won't be a one-time boom. hopefully O doesn't turn into Miles after he won, where he became so insulated he ignored what was going on around CFB and refused to adapt.
You seem upset.
2017 - 9-4 final poll #18
2018 - 10-3 final poll #6
2019 - 15-0 final poll #1
Seems like he's improved the program each season. He's stated from the start he planned to remake the offense. He just needed the right coaches/players. What indicates to you that he does not show the ability to adapt?
Compare his tenure at LSU to Kirby's:
Kirby at UGA: 44-12 (78.5%)
Bowls: 3-2
CFP: 1-1
Coach O at LSU: 40-9 (81.6%)
Bowls: 4-1
CFP: 2-0
Who's done better and against tougher competition?
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:47 am to BayouCowboy
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You seem upset.
at Miles, sure
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Seems like he's improved the program each season.
we got Burrow before 2018, so i'd hope so. we aren't going to fall into an already-developed 4th year guy with Heisman potential very often
again, we don't get Burrow before 2018, O is fired. we would have been a 5-6 win team with our QB/offense situation
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What indicates to you that he does not show the ability to adapt?
2017 and 2018. did you see our offensive system those years?
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Compare his tenure at LSU to Kirby's:
Kirby is O but a better recruiter without the 2019-esque offensive change. if O slides back, he'll be a worse version of Kirby.
Kirby has the same issues with offense O had until 2019
Posted on 5/20/20 at 7:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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we don't get Burrow before 2018, O is fired. we would have been a 5-6 win team with our QB/offense situation
BS. When was the last time LSU was a 5-6 win team. I'll give you a hint. Not this century.
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2017 and 2018. did you see our offensive system those years?
2017 LSU hired Canada. It didn't work out, but it proves O was already trying to upgrade the offense. He just needed to find the right guy.
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Kirby is O but a better recruiter without the 2019-esque offensive change. if O slides back, he'll be a worse version of Kirby. Kirby has the same issues with offense O had until 2019
So O adapted quicker than Kirby. Interesting.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:02 am to BayouCowboy
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BS. When was the last time LSU was a 5-6 win team. I'll give you a hint. Not this century.
Marcus Randall would have been a revelation on our 2018 QB roster
our #1 option was Justin McMillan, who was mediocre at best lats year in a shitty conference
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2017 LSU hired Canada. It didn't work out, but it proves O was already trying to upgrade the offense. He just needed to find the right guy.
if it takes 2.5 years every time to find the right guy, that's a problem. look at Alabama and how seamless their 5-6 offensive revolutions have been the past decade
also you're forgetting what i was responding to. i was responding to a post saying O had a plan. well what was that plan, exactly? Canada motion offense? Ensminger's vanilla 2016 offense, redux? Brady's spread? it doesn't make sense to say O had a plan/vision that he sold Alleva on, when we've seen it change dramatically over his 3 years as HC
now we get to see what his defensive preference will do and how that changes things. we're undergoing a massive change on defense this year b/c O wants to run a 4-man front as our base. i think it will work (and i prefer a 4-man base), but it's a test (and further argues against his vision from 2016 when we kept Aranda and his 3-man front base)
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So O adapted quicker than Kirby. Interesting.
where do you see me cheerleading for Kirby?
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:07 am to Lsupimp
Pimp making the tards look like well tards. lol
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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Kirby has the same issues with offense O had until 2019
I disagree with this. O had a vision of what he wanted but just needed THAT guy too implement it. Insert Joe Brady and the saints style offense. Coach O tried the Matt Canada offense NOPE. He liked Steve Engsminger and what he was trying to do but needed that Spread RPO element and boom here we are. Let's see what happens with Myles Brennan but I think Coach O knows what he wants. I think he knows what he wants on defense too and thats why he hired Bo Pelini back.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:16 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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I disagree with this. O had a vision of what he wanted but just needed THAT guy too implement it
there is no reason we had to waste 2017 and 2018 to get there, then
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Coach O tried the Matt Canada offense NOPE. He liked Steve Engsminger and what he was trying to do but needed that Spread RPO element and boom here we are.
if O wanted spread/RPO, there are a ton of guys he could have hired for 2017. if that was his vision in 2016, why wasn't it our reality in 2017?
Posted on 5/20/20 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Uh you think maybe him going to try and find a qb on the transfer portal maybe had something to do with it? Our qb situation wasn't exactly great when he got the team. With Joe Burrow he had HIS guy.
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