re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...

I thought you would say "yeah you are right, I jumped the shark". It's just the only honest response. I had no idea, seriously I did not realize, that there were still holdouts who think O "got lucky" and were waiting for it all to collapse.

You know it's a serious character flaw, right? This inability to enjoy prosperity and to give credit to those who earned it. Of course I shouldn't be completely surprised as you are the same guy who was ABSOLUTELY MISERABLE in 2007 as we navigated our way to a national championship and who infamously got banned for saying "Matt Flynn sucks more di** than Jenna Jameson". Childish then, childish now.

Charitably, and respectfully in keeping with our long board friendship, I am duty-bound to inform you that you are an LSU Football Sky Screamer. You are that guy on the Poli Board still waiting for them to get Communism "right". Obstinate, unyielding and ridiculous. Too clever by half, hypnotized by your own glibness, and completely and utterly foolish. It's embarrassing.

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I thought you would say "yeah you are right, I jumped the shark". It's just the only honest response. I had no idea, seriously I did not realize, that there were still holdouts who think O "got lucky" and were waiting for it all to collapse.

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i'm not predicting a collapse at this point

no burrow in 2018 and we would have had a collapse year, but that didn't happen. that bought O time to hopefully have an actual vision finally. we will see just how far we dip in 2020 with the new PGO and DC

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You know it's a serious character flaw, right? This inability to enjoy prosperity and to give credit to those who earned it.

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i give credit for O for the changes he made in 2019 (and ensuring he took advantage of the arbitrage opportunity that Joe Burrow was)

that has nothing to do with Alleva's decision in 2016, though. it's a completely different conversation.

*ETA: go to page 1 of your thread. this is me:

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oh if O has the biggest outlier coaching career in CFB history i'll be happy

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it's like you didn't even read your own "gotcha" thread

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Changing the topic

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not what i responded to in this thread

Jake, - a little friendly advice. You can’t always be the teacher. Sometimes you have to be the student. It helps you grow. And sometimes the best teacher is the least expected teacher. Coach Ed Orgeron taught us all a lesson. It’s pathetic ( using the word specifically) to not humble yourself for a moment and learn the lesson. It’s like refusing a gift offered in good faith . It’s foolish and bad for your growth as a human being .

Read that slowly twice and think about it.

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what does the DL have to do with offensive philosophy?

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I didn't say it did and you left out part of my statement, I said Miles left BOTH OL and DL bare and O had to rebuild, don't cherry pick parts to try and mold your argument...

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he was lucky. we are lucky he got his head out of his arse last year and installed a real offense or else we would have wasted a generational talent like we did in 2018

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You just proved my previous statement about if CEO doesn't make the right calls he's not a solid/elite coach and if he does then he "got lucky"

if someone like Saban or Myers would have made the moves CEO made you would be saying "that is what elite coaches do, they adjust and get the players they need to make it happen", but CEO does it you call it lucky because you fell flat on your fricking face with your prediction about Coach O and now you can't admit, like always, when you are wrong...

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no burrow in 2018 and we would have had a collapse year, but that didn't happen. that bought O time to hopefully have an actual vision finally. we will see just how far we dip in 2020 with the new PGO and DC

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you have no idea how Myles would have done that year and making another one of your "predictions" as if it were set it stone, just like your CEO predictions...

i understand what you're saying. you need to expand the perspective of your argument here

you do understand that in 2008, there were multiple, similar "eating crow" posts directed at me regarding my stance on Les Miles, right?

2007 didn't invalidate my opinion of miles, and this was all WELL BEFORE he went into complete dinosaur offense

hopefully O maintains after early success better than Miles did, but it's the same situation. hell O gets a great distinction moment in 2020 with the QB. O can show he can recruit/develop a QB (something Miles never could) this year

You are making progress. Eventually, like the Fonz before you, you will be able to stop infinitely scrambling to expand your argument and just grudgingly admit that you were wrong.

And you will feel peace. And your future criticism will have more legitimacy.

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There is no better test of a man's integrity than his behavior when he is wrong.

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the problem is we aren't at the goaline yet and y'all are spiking the ball. again, this happened before WITH OUR LAST COACH

*ETA: and there is the argument about O as a coach and the argument about the decision by Alleva. those are 2 very separate discussions

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this is a myth and irrelevant to what i was discussing

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so the OL lacking quality and depth is a myth...whatever you say that makes you sleep better...

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he has to prove it over time. he's had one benchmark year. i don't expect a repeat, but he has to consistently put us in the playoffs

just for argument's sake, if we don't make the playoffs again for 5 years, do you consider O to still be this elite coach?

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Yes it has to be proven over time and right now he is proving just that with improvements every year he has been here and you know it...we will cross that bridge when we come to it 5 years from now so don't try to kick the can down the rode in an attempt to save face from what you predicted and can't admit was wrong about...

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Saban and Meyer have more than 1 year of elite success under their belt. multiple national title. multiple conference titles. multiple playoff appearances. you can't pick out any individual year or moment to justify their greatness. it's earned over time

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I Know its earned over time and CEO has made all the same decisions as those have done over their years with his time at LSU improving each year and getting the players and coaches he wanted and ended up with the same results as they did and recruiting at the same level as they are...you know it, you just want admit it...

and you want to keep harping on the Canada hire, well CEO admitted he was wrong on that hire when trying to adjust the offense and did something about it, you could learn something from that...

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not much b/c he was the backup QB

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he was back up because Burrow transferred here, otherwise he would have been the starter and you know it and you have no idea how Myles would have performed that year, except you, because all your predictions come true...oh wait...

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the problem is we aren't at the goaline yet and y'all are spiking the ball. again, this happened before WITH OUR LAST COACH

*ETA: and there is the argument about O as a coach and the argument about the decision by Alleva. those are 2 very separate discussions

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I didn't even direct my post to you (not did I mention anything about football, coaches, athletic directors or goal lines), but since you initiated contact with me I would encourage you to reevaluate the words I posted:

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There is no better test of a man's integrity than his behavior when he is wrong.

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There is no shame in being wrong. We've all been there. It's how you handle being wrong that reveals your character.