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GetmorewithLes
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
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We absolutely can have it both ways. His 2019 success was “luck” “lightning in a bottle” until proven otherwise.


As I posted in another thread earlier today…

LSU Football Coaches since 2000:

Les Miles, 77% win, 1-1 NC, 148 games
Ed Orgeron, 76% win, 1-0 NC, 61 games
Nick Saban, 75% win, 1-0 NC, 64 games

So who caught lightning in a bottle?


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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
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. "It was luck." "It was lightning in a bottle."


I don't think these are the same but most people misunderstand "luck" or at least don't understand there are different types of luck. Most equate luck with something unearned (finding $100 laying on the street or winning a lotto) that is one type of luck. There's also things beyond your control that work out that are also luck but to you have to do things in order to capitalize. (Bama was lucky in 2011 that Ok St lost but did leave themselves in a position to capitalize, same in 2012)

Whenever someone says Coach X (O/Jimbo/Mack Brown only won because of player Y(Burrow/Winston/VY) its typically just bitterness or a lazy argument that player only went to that school because those. coaches recruited him. So yes O 100% gets credit for 2019, he recruited Burrow he gets the credit, he was lucky Burrow was available to start right away and had 2 year lefts but he recruited him, he gets the credit. O hired Brady (he's lucky Brady was with the Saints and not Penn St or say the Eagles) but O made the hire, it was outside of the box but it worked. He also recruited Jefferson, flipped Chase from Florida, he gets the credit for that year.

But...its starting to look more and more that it was lightening in a bottle. That O got 2 exceptional individuals in Burrow and Brady who had been developed by other great FB minds (Meyer/Payton). Unless he can find some others his tenure will be more like Chizik or Coker.

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Absent a complete team meltdown,


i was willing to give a mulligan for last year for the stupid pandemic but a losing or even 6-6 year (remember we get 3 gimme games)is pretty much a meltdown.
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QJenk
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
I'm willing to give him the rest of the season. If he manages to turn things around and have the team actually play with some fire, looking like a much better team than the first 2 weeks, then he deserves another chance.

If we play like we did the past 2 weeks for the rest of the season, he absolutely deserves to go. There's no excuse for us to be this bad. We literally might go winless in the SEC.

Just as Gene Chizik lucked out in acquiring Cam Newton. Coach O lucked out in acquiring Joe Burrow.


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H-Town Tiger
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
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Les Miles, 77% win, 1-1 NC, 148 games
Ed Orgeron, 76% win, 1-0 NC, 61 games
Nick Saban, 75% win, 1-0 NC, 64 games

So who caught lightning in a bottle?


Saban took over a program that had won 7 games the 2 years prior to his hiring and 8 losing season out of the previous 11 and won 8 games and a bowl year 1 and made the SECCG for the first time ever and winning the SEC title for the first time in 13 years in year 2. Then there was the first NC in 45 years in year 4.

Besides the losing in the 90s the program was way behind in terms of facilities. He had to build the program many of the facility improvements were not finished (football only ops) until after he left.

Anyone that just posts his record and acts like its the same with out context doesn't know what they are talking about. Look at where the program was when he was hired vs when he left.

This post was edited on 9/14 at 2:49 pm


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abellsujr
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
Not when there are this many glaring issues. That’s not a set in stone rule.


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the4thgen
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
Have you not paid attention to anything going on? All of the issues we currently have come straight from O. Poor hires, poor game plan, poor performance, poor effort from players, poor program management off the field. ALL of those issues fall squarely on Ed's shoulders. He is the one that pitched the CEO model and was given the job based on that model. Yeah he gets more than a little credit for the NC because of who he brought in but he also gets the vast majority of the blame for the blunders going on now. Not to mention the national image of the program is not helped by him publicly being a trash ball off the field.


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Captain Crown
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
He's not building a culture that is in the hunt every year. That's what LSU needs to strive for.


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Cherry Cheesecake
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
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And, win the team wins an NC, the coach should have a pass for a couple of years.


Wow, so you're essentially saying they don't need any accountability for two whole years after winning a natty. Might as well screw around and lose a bunch of games, no big deal.


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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
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But, when it comes to giving Coach Orgeron credit, then all the reverse excuses are made. "It was luck." "It was lightning in a bottle."


I don't know. the guy has a 62-42 overall head coaching record (.596) with 15 wins in 1 year.

I don't think it's unfair to say that the stars aligned for this guy to put together 2019 since he has come nowhere close to it before or since.


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Sissidog02
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
Remind me who is this chinoyang dude again


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LSURulzSEC
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
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Absent a complete team meltdown, he'll be (and should be) here through the end of the 2022 season.




bless your heart Karen...


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Capo Losi
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
Hope you don't run an essential business...


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SammyTiger
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
The HC should help the team.

If your hurting the team, or you can’t fix the teams problems then what are you doing?

I don’t think O knows why 2019 worked, and it’s clear He is stuck on trying to reverse engineer it.

Instead of hiring Yurchich or Briles he hired a guy who had a cup Of coffee with Brady


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cas4t
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
Orgeron is as good as gone, bud. Might as well learn to accept it.


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Sleepy_Tiger
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re: A National Championship buys a head coach three years (or more).
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His personal issues may ultimately get him, but he should not be fired this year based on coaching performance unless he does only win a couple of games.
This year is just an extension of last year and at 6-6 it doesn’t look improved at all.

Those 6 losses are unacceptable


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