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re: 9-4 is not a good season.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:10 pm to Buckwheat35
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:10 pm to Buckwheat35
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Most of you must have forgot that Les left us bare dry at certain positions including quarterback.
There are TWO highly ranked, highly recruited QBs on the roster in their second year. There is also a 4th year junior that people have been pointing out won back to back championships in Texas. No excuse at this position especially not blaming Miles who has been gone nearly 2 full years.
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Coach O attempted to address it past year but Canada was a dick and bucked his own boss.
He hired a coach that doesn't want to run the offense he wants to run. I'm not giving him a pass in year 2 for a collosal screw up in year one.
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For this year alone 9-4 or 8-5 is A OK.
The last guy got fired for having that record in multiple consecutive years and I keep hearing that Orgeron has addressed the "deficiency" on both lines. This team has CFP talent and should be held to a higher standard than 8 or 9 wins, not looking for a pass just because the coach is learning on the job.
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Some of you seem to expect immediate change in one year. Crazy town.
Year 2 with 2 recruiting classes. Time to get it done. The culture was already here. The talent is here. He has all of the coaches and analysts he wanted. It's put up or shut up time.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 7:14 pm
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:13 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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Saban is possibly the best head coach in college football history.
and even his highness had an 8-5 and an 9-4 year...
Imagine that.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:15 pm to SammyTiger
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We basically play 4 good teams next year
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Ole Miss Arkansas Florida Texas A&M Miss. St.
Are not good teams? Good god we have idiotic fans sometimes
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:15 pm to Buckwheat35
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Most of you must have forgot that Les left us bare dry at certain positions including quarterback.
Orgeron predicted the playoffs in year 1.
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Also must forgot that our offense when he left had multiple years of running the same useless crap that was taught: we had to break old habits and install new ones.
By hiring the old TE Coach?
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Coach O attempted to address it past year but Canada was a dick and bucked his own boss.
So Orgeron made a really bad move by hiring Canada right?
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I personally believe Coach O has made great decisions lately and that our offense will become elite in a couple of years.
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Also must forgot that our offense when he left had multiple years of running the same useless crap that was taught: we had to break old habits and install new ones.
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For this year alone 9-4 or 8-5 is A OK.
Those goalposts have moved so far.
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The following season is where we should be expecting a championship type record.
Next Year U.
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Some of you seem to expect immediate change in one year. Crazy town.
*looksatUGA*
Additionally, let's all agree to align with Ed Orgeron's Benchmark:
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'The benchmark is to beat Alabama'
So, O is currently sitting at 0-2. If O ends up 0-3 against his own benchmark, what does that say?
Let me save you time:
"We shouldn't be expected to compete with Alabama."
"O didn't mean what he said, he knows he can't beat Alabama."
"We aren't ready to beat Alabama yet, that's not what O meant. He meant beat Alabama in 5 years."
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:19 pm to TigerLunatik
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The culture was already here.
The culture was in fricking shambles when les left. Hate to break it to you
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:24 pm to The Pirate King
Not hardly. "fricking shambles" is implying taking over a perennial losing program and one that hasn't finished ranked in at least a few years. The winning culture was already established. The expectations were established. LSU has the most players in the NFL. That's a winning culture. The players in this program expect to win. They don't need to learn to do so. O took over a team that is ready to win now.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:26 pm to TigerLunatik
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Not hardly. "fricking shambles" is implying taking over a perennial losing program and one that hasn't finished ranked in at least a few years. The winning culture was already established. The expectations were established. LSU has the most players in the NFL. That's a winning culture. The players in this program expect to win. They don't need to learn to do so. O took over a team that is ready to win now.
Everything has changed since O was hired. Apparently we had one of he worst programs in the country or some such nonsense.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:27 pm to TigerLunatik
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LSU has the most players in the NFL. That's a winning culture.
Having the most NFL players means little when it comes to winning in college, at least as far as LSU is concerned.
The underachieving culture has been here since 2008 with Les.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:31 pm to The Pirate King
They were undefeated in the regular season in '11 and had arguably the best regular season in college football history. That's hardly underachieving.
And before some jackass comes in with "since when did they start handing out trophies for the regular season", that's not the conversation.
If that's underachieving and averaging 10 wins a season is underachieving, then why shouldn't we expect 10 wins now? O has more talent here now than Miles did is what I keep hearing.
And before some jackass comes in with "since when did they start handing out trophies for the regular season", that's not the conversation.
If that's underachieving and averaging 10 wins a season is underachieving, then why shouldn't we expect 10 wins now? O has more talent here now than Miles did is what I keep hearing.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:31 pm to SammyTiger
Just a bit early to determine the top 4 best.
But lose to only two of those. ..beat Bama and win your bowl game is that a bad 9-4?
But lose to only two of those. ..beat Bama and win your bowl game is that a bad 9-4?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:35 pm to TigerLunatik
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TigerLunatik
While always a realist, I feel like you were more central 3-4 weeks ago. Has the bad logic and goalpost moving changed your approach?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:36 pm to Freauxzen
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Everything has changed since O was hired. Apparently we had one of he worst programs in the country or some such nonsense.
I just can't comprehend it. On one hand I hear that O has addressed the defencicies and that we "played 30 freshman" last year. We have 2 highly ranked and recruited QBs. We have all world transfers. We have the best OL coach in the country, the best WR coach of all time and an OC hand picked by the 2nd year coach that is gonna FINALLY open it up and sling the ball all over the field. The defense is top 2 in the conference if not the country.
Why the hell shouldn't we expect better than 8 or 9 wins? It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed as Commonus would say.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:37 pm to TigerLunatik
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I just can't comprehend it. On one hand I hear that O has addressed the defencicies and that we "played 30 freshman" last year. We have 2 highly ranked and recruited QBs. We have all world transfers. We have the best OL coach in the country, the best WR coach of all time and an OC hand picked by the 2nd year coach that is gonna FINALLY open it up and sling the ball all over the field. The defense is top 2 in the conference if not the country.
Why the hell shouldn't we expect better than 8 or 9 wins? It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed as Commonus would say.
That's a pretty good summation.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:39 pm to Freauxzen
My thoughts are that I don't think O can get it done although I'm not saying it can't happen. I realize that there are reasons for optimism.
However, I don't think that should change what the expectations should be. This team has the talent. There shouldn't be a 2 year learning curve. IMO, this coaching staff should be able to get it done this year and I don't understand when people try to give them a pass.
However, I don't think that should change what the expectations should be. This team has the talent. There shouldn't be a 2 year learning curve. IMO, this coaching staff should be able to get it done this year and I don't understand when people try to give them a pass.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:44 pm to TigerLunatik
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My thoughts are that I don't think O can get it done although I'm not saying it can't happen. I realize that there are reasons for optimism.
However, I don't think that should change what the expectations should be. This team has the talent. There shouldn't be a 2 year learning curve. IMO, this coaching staff should be able to get it done this year and I don't understand when people try to give them a pass.
Perfectly fair, as it should be.
I don't think a dimension exists where O and Ensminger can beat Saban straight up, he has LSU's number, and can poach LA recruits. I don't know if that counts as "getting it done," but I see no path without a risky or young hire who's going to do something wildly different here. Like Dabo or someone similar.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:49 pm to Buckwheat35
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Most of you must have forgot that Les left us bare dry at certain positions including quarterback. Also must forgot that our offense when he left had multiple years of running the same useless crap that was taught: we had to break old habits and install new ones. Coach O attempted to address it past year but Canada was a dick and bucked his own boss. I personally believe Coach O has made great decisions lately and that our offense will become elite in a couple of years. For this year alone 9-4 or 8-5 is A OK. The following season is where we should be expecting a championship type record. Some of you seem to expect immediate change in one year. Crazy town.
I feel like I’m in the fricking twilight zone reading stupidity like this.
Hell if this mentality persists at LSU, my alma mater may become the state flagship in football. LOL
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:51 pm to Freauxzen
We'll see. There's just no way for the fans to know exactly what this offense will look like once the season begins. I liked the plays they were running in the spring game for being so vanilla. As we've been saying it's going to come down to teaching it to the players and getting them to execute it. I think the philosophy will be good.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:54 pm to TigerLunatik
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We'll see. There's just no way for the fans to know exactly what this offense will look like once the season begins. I liked the plays they were running in the spring game for being so vanilla. As we've been saying it's going to come down to teaching it to the players and getting them to execute it. I think the philosophy will be good.
See this kind of logic and hope makes sense, and can make people feel better.
Saying "Saban lost to ULM too!" does not.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:34 pm to DustyDinkleman
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