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5 Power Conferences - 4 Playoff Spots
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:37 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:37 am
A 4 team playoff made up primarily from 5 conferences is ridiculous.
Imagine if the 5 Conference champions were all undefeated (not a big stretch and certainly possible). A 13-0 Power 5 Conference Champion would be left out of this system because of what 20 people decided in a closed room.
Imagine if the 5 Conference champions were all undefeated (not a big stretch and certainly possible). A 13-0 Power 5 Conference Champion would be left out of this system because of what 20 people decided in a closed room.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:38 am to warlock1974
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(not a big stretch
Has that EVER happened?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:39 am to warlock1974
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Imagine if the 5 Conference champions were all undefeated (not a big stretch and certainly possible).
has it ever happened though?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:46 am to warlock1974
I agree. Make the regular season conference record and conference championship games meaningful for power 5 teams by having an 8 team playoff. This would encourage better non-conference matchups throughout the season. 5 power conference winners and 3 at-large teams with an auto bid for a mid-major conference champ if ranked high enough (maybe make the threshold top 10-15). Simple and will truly determine a national champ without all the complaints of bias (maybe a little controversy over the at large teams). Allow the top seeds to play round one at home if schools/stadiums can accommodate it.
This is also basically creating a 13 team playoff based on conference championship games. As now 13 teams would have a legit shot at the 8 team playoff. It makes too much sense.
This is also basically creating a 13 team playoff based on conference championship games. As now 13 teams would have a legit shot at the 8 team playoff. It makes too much sense.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:09 am to warlock1974
Exactly why we need to have an 8 team format. All Power 5 conference champions plus 3 at large bids determined by SOS and Winning Percentage formula. Also, put SOS as a weightier value so as to encourage OOC games that will enrich the season. Something like WP+2SOS=Playoff ranking.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:35 am to warlock1974
This year there are 3 clear cut playoff teams. The 4th team is a mix of teams that are pretty good. We don't need more teams.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:41 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Has that EVER happened?
Oklahoma and Utah could easily have gotten there of not for shitting the bed early in the season. Also, Baylor’d be undefeated if they kept their 4-score lead.
The problem is the opportunity presents itself
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:47 am to warlock1974
Time to break up a conference and spread them around. Have four 16 team conferences with two divisions each.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:50 am to GeauxEaux
At-large teams are stupid. Just have the BCS computers seed the top 6 conference champions and use a bye format.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:01 am to warlock1974
The playoffs have already been expanded.....
#1 Ohio State vs #8 Wisconsin in the Big 10
#2 LSU vs #4 Georgia in the SEC
#3 Clemson vs #23 Virginia in the ACC
Ohio State, LSU, Clemson and Georgia control their own destiny. If the win, they are in.
On Friday night,
#5 Utah Plays #13 Oregon in the Pac12
Saturday morning
#6 Oklahoma vs #7 Baylor
It's really simple. Let's not complicate this.
It will play out, just like it always does. Whichever team ends up #5 will be because they lost a game they shouldn't have, or because they have zero resume outside of their conference.
#1 Ohio State vs #8 Wisconsin in the Big 10
#2 LSU vs #4 Georgia in the SEC
#3 Clemson vs #23 Virginia in the ACC
Ohio State, LSU, Clemson and Georgia control their own destiny. If the win, they are in.
On Friday night,
#5 Utah Plays #13 Oregon in the Pac12
Saturday morning
#6 Oklahoma vs #7 Baylor
It's really simple. Let's not complicate this.
It will play out, just like it always does. Whichever team ends up #5 will be because they lost a game they shouldn't have, or because they have zero resume outside of their conference.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:22 am to wesman21
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Time to break up a conference and spread them around. Have four 16 team conferences with two divisions each.
And when the round robin results in two undefeated teams in-conference? Then what? We'd be back to where we started: clusterfrickage
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:30 am to idlewatcher
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nd when the round robin results in two undefeated teams in-conference? Then what?
They meet in their conference title game
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:35 am to wheelz007
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Whichever team ends up #5 will be because they lost a game they shouldn't have, or because they have zero resume outside of their conference.
Or because the committee decided, that at least for this week, conference championships matter. If that's the case, LSU would be out with a loss to UGA. The committee's reasoning changes with the wind. We have no idea what they will choose to value/devalue next week. That's the crux of the problem with them.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:35 am to wesman21
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Have four 16 team conferences with two divisions each.
SEC should:
(a) Add Kentucky to the West
(b) Annex FSU and Clemson and put them the East.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:38 am to jlovel7
quote:Exactly.
This year there are 3 clear cut playoff teams. The 4th team is a mix of teams that are pretty good. We don't need more teams.
A 2 team playoff like the BCS would have Clemson on the outside (just like Auburn in 2004).
4 is fine, because noone honestly believes that teams 5-9 would honestly win or be more deserving than the top 3.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:39 am to warlock1974
quote:correct. But the problem isn't the Committee, the problem is the 4-team format.
A 13-0 Power 5 Conference Champion would be left out of this system because of what 20 people decided in a closed room.
Once they expand to 8, the 5 Power5 champs will get auto bids and the Committee will select 3 at large teams and do the seeding.
There needs to be a Committee to decide such things, because there are 130 teams and only a 12 game schedule, so there's very little crossover games between conferences. So there's very little apples-to-apples comparison between conferences. One 13-0 conference champs might be middle of the pack in another conference. We just don't know. So somebody has to decide.
Who decides? Silly media polls? No way. Computers? Those are programmed by humans that include different variables and weightings of their choosing. We could argue about which ones are right or wrong all day long.
Better to get a somber Committee in a room to have deep and serious discussions with mounds of data. Much like the March Madness selection committee, which is universally respected.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:42 am to Mahootney
quote:I don't buy that. Certainly once you get past 8 teams, there's a big drop off in quality, but I'd argue that teams 5-8 would have a decent shot.
4 is fine, because noone honestly believes that teams 5-9 would honestly win or be more deserving than the top 3.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:50 am to atltiger6487
Group of us were discussing this topic before the aTm game so I do not take total credit for this idea for playoff system.
1) no conference championship games
2) expand playoffs to 16 teams
3) start playoffs two weeks after the season ends
4) first and second games are played at the home of the higher seed
5) semifinal and final games are rotated among the NY6 bowl sites.
To me everyone wins here. TV audience would be huge so networks would love this. The better teams would get two more home games which brings in mega$$$. The NY6 bowls still get the big payouts with the semi's and final games. The fans get a true playoff system.
1) no conference championship games
2) expand playoffs to 16 teams
3) start playoffs two weeks after the season ends
4) first and second games are played at the home of the higher seed
5) semifinal and final games are rotated among the NY6 bowl sites.
To me everyone wins here. TV audience would be huge so networks would love this. The better teams would get two more home games which brings in mega$$$. The NY6 bowls still get the big payouts with the semi's and final games. The fans get a true playoff system.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:54 am to Fonzarelli
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SEC should:
(a) Add Kentucky to the West
(b) Annex FSU and Clemson and put them the East.
C) make Clemson Alabama’s permanent cross division rival.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:57 am to warlock1974
The debate is part of the huge interest. Being a top 4 team is a huge accomplishment by itself. No need to expand.
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