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re: 1908 - when is it going to happen?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:46 pm to Philippines4LSU
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:46 pm to Philippines4LSU
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Nah. LSU got the trophy. NCAA recognizes LSU as champion that year.
You may want to peruse the champions list on the NCAA website to see what they say about 2003 and 1908.
If their recognition of 2003 is good enough for you, then the same should be said about 1908.
Edit to add:
And 1958 for that matter.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 2:52 pm
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:48 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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If their recognition of 2003 is good enough for you, then the same should be said about 1908.
Exactly
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:51 pm to TDsngumbo
Does anyone really care about a title in 1908?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:55 pm to TDsngumbo
Bama claims the 1941 Natty (using the "Houlgate" rating system). They went 9-2, finished THIRD in the SEC, and TWENTIETH in the AP Poll. There's even a freakin' plaque in the ground outside of the stadium.
So yeah, we got 1908.
So yeah, we got 1908.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:56 pm to parrotdr
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Bama claims the 1941 Natty (using the "Houlgate" rating system). They went 9-2, finished THIRD in the SEC, and TWENTIETH in the AP Poll. There's even a freakin' plaque in the ground outside of the stadium.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:58 pm to Brazos
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Does anyone really care about a title in 1908?
It’s more legitimate than some Bama claim.
And let’s not forget that the LSU basketball program claims a pretty dubious national title from the 1934-1935 season.
Why not this one in football?
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:03 pm to TDsngumbo
Because although we went undefeated, we weren’t exactly squaring up against powerhouses. Our first 2 games in 1908 were against the New Orleans YMCA and then Jackson-Barracks. The powers of that era were all Yankee schools and we didn’t play any of them.
If we claimed 1908, it’d be no different than UCF claiming 2017. I’d buy the shirts, but it’s still sort of Bama-ish.
If we claimed 1908, it’d be no different than UCF claiming 2017. I’d buy the shirts, but it’s still sort of Bama-ish.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:07 pm to TDsngumbo
Let's have another parade Saturday. 
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:10 pm to Bread Orgeron
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Because although we went undefeated, we weren’t exactly squaring up against powerhouses. Our first 2 games in 1908 were against the New Orleans YMCA and then Jackson-Barracks. The powers of that era were all Yankee schools and we didn’t play any of them.
If we claimed 1908, it’d be no different than UCF claiming 2017. I’d buy the shirts, but it’s still sort of Bama-ish.
Except the NCAA officially recognizes LSU as the nation champions of 1908. I don't see any reason not to officially claim it.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:10 pm to Bread Orgeron
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If we claimed 1908, it’d be no different than UCF claiming 2017. I’d buy the shirts, but it’s still sort of Bama-ish.
The NCAA recognizes LSU as a champ for 1908. See link above.
Alabama claims 17 titles, three of which are not recognized by the NCAA after my quick comparison.
The NCAA does not recognize 2017 UCF as a champ.
Pretty different.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:13 pm to TDsngumbo
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1908 - when is it going to happen?
112 years ago...
Other notable things that happened in 1908:
The Fort Model T was first introduced;
Winston Churchill got married;
Gandhi was arrested for the first time;
The Cubs won the World Series;
My great-grandmother was born.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:23 pm to TDsngumbo
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If the NCAA recognizes our title that year why would we not? I’m really curious as to the real reason LSU doesn’t recognize it. Is there a specific reason?
IF LSU does claim it and put it on the Score board, I would put a Footnote* next to 1908 and clearly state before the consensus Poll era began in 1936. LSU won 4 that were awarded by consensus NC awarding groups. I think LSU if they do every recognize 1908, I hope they make that distinction that the 4 in the AP Poll era and post AP Poll Era are the ones that are not disputed and do to subjectivity. Everyone agrees those NCs were from the nationally recognized NC awarding bodies.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:42 pm to CantGuardJamarr
Very interesting - shows how things have not changed when it comes to transfer portal, bag men and investigations.
Good Link
".....The specific reason is that we have sufficient concrete evi[i]dence to prove definitely that L.S.U. violated the rules of the S.I.A.A. last year and is violating them again this year. It has been enabled to do so by the very fact that those rules do not require each college to furnish the other the specific information which we now demand. The concrete evidence to which we now refer establishes the following facts:
First - The Captain of the L.S.U. football team last season ... who was registered in the University catalogue for last year as Charles Cecil Bauer, "special" student from Winn Parish, taking a course in "bookkeeping," was in fact a hired professional athlete named Charles Ora Buser, living in Indianapolis, Ind., and, according to his own statement, brought to Baton Rouge by Coach Wingard, who paid him handsomely for his services. He is 30 years of age ... [Tulane furnished a letter, allegedly from Bauer/Buser in Indianapolis, offering his services to them for the 1908 season. Tulane hired a Pinkerton detective who interviewed Buser and learned his real name and the fact that Wingard had paid him well for his services.]
Second. John Jacob Seip, who played last year on the L.S.U. team and is again a member of it, was brought down from Pennsylvania last fall by Coach Wingard. He played on the team of the Susquehanna University in 1906, and, accordingly, was ineligible to play last year ... Seip... should be held to have become thereby permanently ineligible as a bone fide contestant under the S.I.A.A. rules. ...
Third. We have strong reason to believe that there are now two men on the L.S.U. football team whose correct names are Lesher (or Lecher) and Phillips, were imported or induced to come from Susquehanna University ... by Coach Wingard. ...
Fourth. The Smith brothers who played on the L.S.U. team in 1905-06, were imported from Michigan and hired to play on the L.S.U. team in 1905. They thereby became permanently ineligible under the S.I.A.A. rules ..., but they are members of the team this year. ...
We positively decline to bring our students into contact with hired men, professional athletes ... men upwards of thirty years of age ... We can see no satisfaction in any honest or patriotic Louisianian in a champion "Louisiana" college team, the strength and prowess of which is supplied chiefly by men who are not bona fide students, but imported from every state but Louisiana.
Colonel T. D. Boyd, the president of L.S.U., made a statement the next day in response to the charges.
I now wish to declare to the people of Louisiana that every man on L.S.U.'s football team is a bona fide student of the University, and is, to the best of my knowledge and belief, fully eligible under all the rules of the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association to represent the University in intercollegiate athletic contests.
I have made this declaration before and have expressed my determination to remove from the team any man who could be shown to be tainted with professionalism or to be ineligible in any respect.
I shall now go a step further. Ignoring the principle of law that the accused is presumed to be innocent until his guilt is proven, I shall assume the burden of proof and convince every fair-minded person that these men are eligible. It may require several days to collect and arrange the necessary data ...
I have already invited Dr. William L. Dudley, the president of the S.I.A.A., to have this matter thoroughly investigated in any way he deems proper, and have extended a similar invitation to the athletic authorities of the Alabama Polytechnic Institute at Auburn.
The Daily State-Times of Baton Rouge defended the local university against Tulane's charges.
Tulane hadn't proved anything except that Bauer was a ringer. But he was not on this year's team. He had signed an affidavit that he did not receive compensation for playing. If he perjured himself, the University authorities had no way of knowing it. If he was paid, it was not by the university but by someone in the city who thought they were a friend of LSU.
The Smith brothers had been residents of Baton Rouge for three years and were taking a sugar chemistry course at L.S.U. ("Course" probably meant a "course of studies," not just an individual class.)
Seip and Fenton were students of the university, as they were in '07, both with very good class records. Neither competed on the teams at Susquehanna.
Lesher and Phillips were registered at L.S.U. under their right names and were playing on the "scrub team," having not been able to make the Varsity eleven. Phillips was the brother of Wingard's wife.
Good Link
".....The specific reason is that we have sufficient concrete evi[i]dence to prove definitely that L.S.U. violated the rules of the S.I.A.A. last year and is violating them again this year. It has been enabled to do so by the very fact that those rules do not require each college to furnish the other the specific information which we now demand. The concrete evidence to which we now refer establishes the following facts:
First - The Captain of the L.S.U. football team last season ... who was registered in the University catalogue for last year as Charles Cecil Bauer, "special" student from Winn Parish, taking a course in "bookkeeping," was in fact a hired professional athlete named Charles Ora Buser, living in Indianapolis, Ind., and, according to his own statement, brought to Baton Rouge by Coach Wingard, who paid him handsomely for his services. He is 30 years of age ... [Tulane furnished a letter, allegedly from Bauer/Buser in Indianapolis, offering his services to them for the 1908 season. Tulane hired a Pinkerton detective who interviewed Buser and learned his real name and the fact that Wingard had paid him well for his services.]
Second. John Jacob Seip, who played last year on the L.S.U. team and is again a member of it, was brought down from Pennsylvania last fall by Coach Wingard. He played on the team of the Susquehanna University in 1906, and, accordingly, was ineligible to play last year ... Seip... should be held to have become thereby permanently ineligible as a bone fide contestant under the S.I.A.A. rules. ...
Third. We have strong reason to believe that there are now two men on the L.S.U. football team whose correct names are Lesher (or Lecher) and Phillips, were imported or induced to come from Susquehanna University ... by Coach Wingard. ...
Fourth. The Smith brothers who played on the L.S.U. team in 1905-06, were imported from Michigan and hired to play on the L.S.U. team in 1905. They thereby became permanently ineligible under the S.I.A.A. rules ..., but they are members of the team this year. ...
We positively decline to bring our students into contact with hired men, professional athletes ... men upwards of thirty years of age ... We can see no satisfaction in any honest or patriotic Louisianian in a champion "Louisiana" college team, the strength and prowess of which is supplied chiefly by men who are not bona fide students, but imported from every state but Louisiana.
Colonel T. D. Boyd, the president of L.S.U., made a statement the next day in response to the charges.
I now wish to declare to the people of Louisiana that every man on L.S.U.'s football team is a bona fide student of the University, and is, to the best of my knowledge and belief, fully eligible under all the rules of the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association to represent the University in intercollegiate athletic contests.
I have made this declaration before and have expressed my determination to remove from the team any man who could be shown to be tainted with professionalism or to be ineligible in any respect.
I shall now go a step further. Ignoring the principle of law that the accused is presumed to be innocent until his guilt is proven, I shall assume the burden of proof and convince every fair-minded person that these men are eligible. It may require several days to collect and arrange the necessary data ...
I have already invited Dr. William L. Dudley, the president of the S.I.A.A., to have this matter thoroughly investigated in any way he deems proper, and have extended a similar invitation to the athletic authorities of the Alabama Polytechnic Institute at Auburn.
The Daily State-Times of Baton Rouge defended the local university against Tulane's charges.
Tulane hadn't proved anything except that Bauer was a ringer. But he was not on this year's team. He had signed an affidavit that he did not receive compensation for playing. If he perjured himself, the University authorities had no way of knowing it. If he was paid, it was not by the university but by someone in the city who thought they were a friend of LSU.
The Smith brothers had been residents of Baton Rouge for three years and were taking a sugar chemistry course at L.S.U. ("Course" probably meant a "course of studies," not just an individual class.)
Seip and Fenton were students of the university, as they were in '07, both with very good class records. Neither competed on the teams at Susquehanna.
Lesher and Phillips were registered at L.S.U. under their right names and were playing on the "scrub team," having not been able to make the Varsity eleven. Phillips was the brother of Wingard's wife.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:50 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Yeah the fact that the NCAA officially recognizes it and yet we don't claim it is kind of weird. The UCF thing isn't the best comparison in that case. I'm convinced. Let's claim it, baws!
I updated the logo to add 1908:
ETA:
did a version with an extra diamond for the 5th championship ( LSUFootball twitter link talking about the different design elements:
I updated the logo to add 1908:
ETA:
did a version with an extra diamond for the 5th championship ( LSUFootball twitter link talking about the different design elements:
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:10 pm to JKChesterton
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IF LSU does claim it and put it on the Score board, I would put a Footnote* next to 1908 and clearly state before the consensus Poll era began in 1936. LSU won 4 that were awarded by consensus NC awarding groups. I think LSU if they do every recognize 1908, I hope they make that distinction that the 4 in the AP Poll era and post AP Poll Era are the ones that are not disputed and do to subjectivity. Everyone agrees those NCs were from the nationally recognized NC awarding bodies.
Why? Does anyone else with a NCAA recognized title prior to 1936 do this?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:14 pm to TDsngumbo
I say invite the members of the 1908 team this September to the flag raising celebration of the 2019 National Championship and raise the 1908 flag as well.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:22 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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You do know one of those 4 is a co national championship right?
WRONG. Pete Carol's sniveling notwithstanding USC were NOT NOT NOT National Champs!!!!
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:34 pm to Bread Orgeron
Clever design! 
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:37 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Why? Does anyone else with a NCAA recognized title prior to 1936 do this?
Nope. Look at Princeton and Yale for example
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:51 pm to Bread Orgeron
Just tweeted to LSU on their design. They need to add a diamond and 1908 to the design.
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