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NLRB suit on behalf of 12 USC football players started 12/18
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:14 am
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:14 am
The suit by the NLRB on behalf of 12 USC football players seeks to classify football players at USC as employees and not student-athletes as they now are classified. 1st witness on 12/19 testified to at 60 hr. work week that which included mandatory this and mandatory that ..academics took a backseat of football related matters...the case will shape the future of college football way beyond NIL. Legal scholars have predicted that USC, Pac-12 and eventually the Big 10 are playing a losing hand ..."Because no rational person ...would look at this situation and buy the argument that USC football is an amateur operation". If the NLRB is successful in this lawsuit, it will pave a variety of roads toward an agreement similar to professional sports...a salary cap for each university set up by governing board of college football and a free-agency period in place of the transfer portal. Collective bargaining would be granted at some level to the NCAA to protect from antitrust lawsuits. a favorable ruling will throw college football in a whirlwind 3-7 year tizzy but it's coming unfortunately!
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 10:16 am
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Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:19 am to Poppy201
False, no player on that defense dedicated 60 hrs a week to football
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:20 am to Poppy201
This needs to happen. It's the damned wild west right now.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:20 am to Poppy201
Wow. I knew this was coming, but that paints a very dark picture for college sports.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:20 am to Tjcajun
Same can be said about the Saints! A professional football team.
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:22 am to Poppy201
XFL takes college-aged players. Why did none of these players go to the XFL and take a paycheck at a real pro league?
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:36 am to Poppy201
quote:That's not what would happen.
If the NLRB is successful in this lawsuit, it will pave a variety of roads toward an agreement similar to professional sports...a salary cap for each university set up by governing board of college football and a free-agency period in place of the transfer portal. Collective bargaining would be granted at some level to the NCAA to protect from antitrust lawsuits.
It would be much, much worse than what we have right now. The entirety of CFB unionizing would likely be the end of all non-revenue producing male sports in college athletics due to Title IX. Can pretty much guarantee you there would be no salary cap. It's likely you'd see typical eligibility requirements/limits thrown out the window entirely. How can someone who's considered an employee of the school be limited to 5 years of participation? That would be challenged in court and the school/NCAA would lose.
I roll my eyes when people say "CFB is just the minor leagues for the NFL now" because in a sense it's always been that way. Guys have always gotten paid. This change though? This would result in dozens of schools dropping football entirely and there would likely (have to) be an affiliation with the NFL in some form.
If the NCAA wasn't so fricking stubborn and just gave in on the original licensing stuff in the mid 2000s, everything would be fine right now.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:37 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Because contrary to what most people said before, they got much more than the tangible benefits (tuition, room and board, etc.) afforded to them by their scholarship. They got world class training, skill development, and branding that increased their future earnings exponentially. They didn’t want to go other places that allowed all of the things they bitched about not having, or to take their fight directly to the professional leagues who lock them out until a certain age. They wanted their cake and to eat it too. They wanted all of the extra benefits and the platform provided by the NCAA, but not to play by the NCAA’s rules.
XFL takes college-aged players. Why did none of these players go to the XFL and take a paycheck at a real pro league?
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:40 am to PP7 for heisman
quote:If by fine you mean everything that is happening now would have happened in the mid 2000s, yes it would be fine now as we would be adjusted to whatever the post NCAA apocalypse world is.
If the NCAA wasn't so fricking stubborn and just gave in on the original licensing stuff in the mid 2000s, everything would be fine right now.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:42 am to Poppy201
That state should be renamed Cancerfornia. Remember, it was Ed Obannon from UCLA that started this shite, and USC players are going to try and put the nail in the coffin of CFB.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:45 am to PP7 for heisman
As you said, any type of ruling that requires a school to provide payment to the school's football players will lead to the downfall of all non-revenue producing men's sports. While I do think there should be a system in place related to payment for all participating players, that system should only be implemented for sports where revenue is actually made.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 10:49 am to Poppy201
“The enemy of good, is perfection”.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:00 am to Poppy201
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Collective bargaining would be granted at some level to the NCAA to protect from antitrust lawsuits. a favorable ruling will throw college football in a whirlwind 3-7 year tizzy but it's coming unfortunately!
A collective bargaining agreement will kill CFB as well as non profit sports for probably half the D1 schools as most cannot afford the price tag. Then what do they do with DII and DIII schools.
While many on here are frustrated that D1 football rakes in soo much money for schools versus what the players get they dont realize that almost all of the non revenue sports are funded by that money.
This is a beware of what you ask for case...
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:19 am to GetmorewithLes
You know what would really make people's heads explode? Lets say the doomsday scenario happens and football players get classified as employees. So goodbye 85 scholarships and their equivalent on the female side because title IX right? That will never fly in this day and age so the female sports will still be run, at a loss like they are today.
That being said, I can see some athletic departments at second tier D1 schools getting rid of certain non revenue mens sports to make up the deficits in their budgets. And woo boy. thats where the head explosion part comes in. How funny would it be to have these schools get sued because the women are benefiting through discrimination of the men. Can practically hear the screeching from the Womynysts already on this one.
That being said, I can see some athletic departments at second tier D1 schools getting rid of certain non revenue mens sports to make up the deficits in their budgets. And woo boy. thats where the head explosion part comes in. How funny would it be to have these schools get sued because the women are benefiting through discrimination of the men. Can practically hear the screeching from the Womynysts already on this one.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:36 am to UnitedFruitCompany
As I’ve said before, perfect time for schools not wanting to play the NIL game to form a true Amateur Athletic model & leave this BS behind.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:40 am to GoldenAge
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that system should only be implemented for sports where revenue is actually made.
All of the sports generate "revenue". It's just that outside of football and men's basketball, almost none generate a "profit". That's why football and MBB essentially pay for all of the other sports.
In a fundamental business world the football players and the men's basketball players would be the only athletes being paid big salaries because they will be the only profitable employees. But Title IX will not allow that. In it's purest form, Jayden Daniels's salary would have to be the same as the worst player on the women's volleyball team because any disparity likely would violate Title IX.
Ironically, the current "wild west" NIL environment provides market value for the players. No "booster" is going to commit $1.5M - $2.0M to entice a women's volleyball player to sign with the college (unless that women's has a market outside of being just an athlete...see Livy Dunne, Flujae Johnson, etc). So right now, the star QB being "paid" much, much more than the softball catcher actually comparts with market principles
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:44 am to UnitedFruitCompany
I would foresee La having 2 state programs and Tulane in 5 yrs!
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:47 am to lsusteve1
quote:Yes, I would like to see true free market competition. That’s what it should have been from the start, not the forced BS we have now. Don’t like the amateur, student athlete, NCAA model? No problem, let the NCAA operate as is and allow 18-20 year olds who don’t want to be hindered by their rules go develop in a professional youth league. Then we would truly see what the market thinks about football in that age bracket when they aren’t affiliated with a school.
As I’ve said before, perfect time for schools not wanting to play the NIL game to form a true Amateur Athletic model & leave this BS behind.
But it was never about the free market.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:55 am to MOT
Even if they rule the players are employees and are to be paid they won't set the salary. If this happens id imagine the conferences will vote to set expected salaries and a cap and some of this free for all pay for recruits will go away. Smallers conferences will obviously set much lower salries than bigger conferences. Some teams will still cheat and pay to get recruits but that's nothing new.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 12:00 pm to MOT
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or to take their fight directly to the professional leagues who lock them out until a certain age.
This is how it needs to end to save college football. Either sign with agent and take your chances in the NFL or sign letter of intent with college with 3year minimum commitment/ contract.
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