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re: LSU basketball transfer portal watch
Posted on 5/11/23 at 8:50 am to CRW
Posted on 5/11/23 at 8:50 am to CRW
quote:
Scott was handicapped when hiring MM.With the NCAA hovering
Not going to disagree here, was not a good time to hire a coach here.
quote:
SW had to offer a long term contract
to attract any canidate
This is completely false. We didnt have to guarantee the money we did and offer a 7/8 year to attract someone. The job will always be attractive to a number of coaches even with the situation we had and it wouldnt have taken an 80% guaranteed 7/8 year deal to get them here.
Woodward is just a huge believer in highly guaranteed deals or with big buyouts, for whatever reason.
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 8:56 am
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Posted on 5/11/23 at 9:09 am to PNG Futbol
I don’t disagree. Maybe it took a longer contract bc of the circumstances to get anyone they believed who could be half way decent?
The good news is I have no doubt that a change will be made quickly if things don’t around soon
The good news is I have no doubt that a change will be made quickly if things don’t around soon
Posted on 5/11/23 at 9:13 am to Tigerfan14
quote:He was talking about NIL. But don't worry, I am sure Wade will find a way to cheat at that and get caught too.
It’s legal now. Hunter Dickinson just openly admitted he left Michigan for Kansas so he can get paid more. You can either figure out a way to get them paid or you’ll miss out.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 9:50 am to mmcgrath
quote:
He was talking about NIL. But don't worry, I am sure Wade will find a way to cheat at that and get caught too.
I’m talking about NIL too. It’s pay for play for 99% of the kids who are getting it. There are literally donor clubs that are crowd sourcing money to pay kids. If you think college recruiting is some squeaky clean business that only a few scumbags cheat in, you are just making yourself look like an idiot.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 9:55 am to thunderbird1100
quote:
This is completely false. We didnt have to guarantee the money we did and offer a 7/8 year to attract someone.
That may have been what he had to offer to get McMahon...who probably had most of the leverage in the negotiations.
ON PAPER you could reasonably make the argument McMahon had the best resume of all of the SEC coaches hired during that cycle (Gates, Paris, Jans, Golden, White). He easily had the best season of any one-bid league coach by guiding Murray St. to a 7 seed in the NCAAT.
But hiring mid-major coaches always takes a deeper dive than simply just looking at the record. A deeper dive may have given more pause for concern. MSU has been successful under a number of HC's. Not just McMahon. And almost all of those HC, except Mick Cronin, have struggled when they jumped up to the next level. McMahon also had the only 2 non-winning seasons at MSU in 34 years.
The same concerns were present with Wade coming from VCU who had success under multiple coaches. But you could tell from day one Wade had a plan of attack of how he was going to get guys he couldn't get to VCU and how he was going to compete at LSU. The thing that made me believe in Wade was when he said he saw no reason LSU could not be Florida under Billy Donovan...and he was EXACTLY right.
McMahon is more low key. That's fine. But even from day one he hasn't shown a lot to give you hope he's ready to get into the bloodsport that is major conf. basketball. It's dirty. It's cutthroat. You want to fight with Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, etc you better be willing to match their fight. Oats has done so at Alabama and the success speaks for itself. I worry McMahon doesn't have the personality or desire to do the same. That's fine. Hell, it might be admirable. But it's not what is required to be a big time major conf. coach.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 10:30 am to Alt26
I would also like to point out that Mcmahon was one of the hottest names in last years coaching cycle. He was a top prospect for nearly every opening in the SEC. Here are just a couple examples of that:
Missouri
Mississippi State
Florida
LSU offered Mcmahon what they thought would lure him over the other teams (a longer contract). Mcmahon may end up being an absolute flop but to pretend like Scott made a lazy hire is just not the case. He took the hottest coaching name at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20, but very few people thought that it was a bad hire at the time. Its easy to say it was a bad hire after winning 3 SEC games
Missouri
Mississippi State
Florida
LSU offered Mcmahon what they thought would lure him over the other teams (a longer contract). Mcmahon may end up being an absolute flop but to pretend like Scott made a lazy hire is just not the case. He took the hottest coaching name at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20, but very few people thought that it was a bad hire at the time. Its easy to say it was a bad hire after winning 3 SEC games
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 10:32 am
Posted on 5/11/23 at 10:32 am to Alt26
I think McMahon is in over his head. I heard from a reliable source who knows one of LSU's biggest basketball donors that $ for recruits has been there from day one.
McMahon was supposedly asked what he needed by the donor, and McMahon reportedly looked like a deer in headlights and couldn't even answer the question.
You think a Bruce Pearl wouldn't have known exactly how to answer that question?
McMahon was supposedly asked what he needed by the donor, and McMahon reportedly looked like a deer in headlights and couldn't even answer the question.
You think a Bruce Pearl wouldn't have known exactly how to answer that question?
Posted on 5/11/23 at 10:34 am to Alt26
quote:
I worry McMahon doesn't have the personality or desire to do the same. That's fine. Hell, it might be admirable. But it's not what is required to be a big time major conf. coach.
That's the most frustrating part. We should have already learned this lesson with Trent Johnson. Yet here we are again, making the same mistakes.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 10:46 am to tom
I will also say IF mcmahon is able to have success in the SEC, it will solely be on his coaching ability. Pearl, Oats, Musselman, and Barnes are all great coaches, but they're also able to cover up a lot of their deficiencies as coaches with high level talent. Same thing with Wade. I don't think anyone that actually watched Wade's teams would say that he was the next John Wooden. He was a very good coach, but he was also able to get great players that could make up for any of his weaknesses as a coach.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 10:52 am to Aforem7
I don't really think his resume is all that great when you look at it in greater detail. His success was largely predicated by: 1. Signing the best player to come out of mid major basketball since Steph Curry, and
2. Being at a school with a rich history and tradition of successful basketball
If you look at the history of guys who have coached at Murray St. they all have had similar success there. As mentioned above, they all also struggled to make the transition to competing with the big boys. Not to mention mcmahon was responsible for the two worst seasons in the last 40 or so years of that program. I want to believe, but last year coupled with the fact mcmahon can't seem to sign a guy who doesn't already want to be here gives me very little hope he can compete at this level
2. Being at a school with a rich history and tradition of successful basketball
If you look at the history of guys who have coached at Murray St. they all have had similar success there. As mentioned above, they all also struggled to make the transition to competing with the big boys. Not to mention mcmahon was responsible for the two worst seasons in the last 40 or so years of that program. I want to believe, but last year coupled with the fact mcmahon can't seem to sign a guy who doesn't already want to be here gives me very little hope he can compete at this level
Posted on 5/11/23 at 11:36 am to CRW
quote:
Scott was handicapped when hiring MM.With the NCAA hovering
over the BB program SW had to offer a long term contract
to attract any canidate.
It suprises me that LSU BB fans cant see the problems SW
had in this deal
Scott handicapped himself. He wanted Wade gone and took the first opportunity he could to do it in the most spiteful way possible, not only to Wade but the student athletes on the roster. Woodward didn't care about the fallout for the next 3 years, he just wanted Wade gone. So, here we are...
Posted on 5/11/23 at 12:12 pm to ellessuuuu
There is nothing outstanding in a good way that McMahon has done at LSU thus far. After last year any deserved optimism should be doused. He could turn things around, but it is highly unlikely that he can come close to equalling the success of the prior coach.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 12:21 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
wanted Wade gone
Maybe you are right but Wade amended his contract, as part of his reinstatement, to include if the NCAA infractions committee issued a formal notice of Level 1 or Level 2 violations to LSU involving him that he could be fired. The NCAA did. So, here we are...
Posted on 5/11/23 at 12:22 pm to SoloTiger
quote:
McMahon was supposedly asked what he needed by the donor, and McMahon reportedly looked like a deer in headlights and couldn't even answer the question.
What idiot would walk up to the coach and ask that nonsense? Do you think phony high rollers walk up to Kelly or Mulkey like that?
Posted on 5/11/23 at 12:36 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
What idiot would walk up to the coach and ask that nonsense? Do you think phony high rollers walk up to Kelly or Mulkey like that?
NIL is now a huge part of college recruiting. So yes, I can see a scenario where wealthy donors/boosters would go up to a HC and ask the HC which resources he needs. If he doesn't, you can bet the HC will soon find out who the big money boosters are and quickly arrange a meeting them. There are three major aspect to a HC's job. on court tactician/developer; recruiter; fundraiser. If he doesn't have the booster money then he's going to struggle recruiting top talent. Without top talent, the on court chops can only get you so far.
I don't know if the story is true or not (I suspect there may be some hyperbole or creative liberties taken by the poster). But I am very certain boosters would have made contact with McMahon soon after the hire. And if McMahon is not courting them and their needed "resources" then there is a MUCH bigger problem than originally thought.
If you are at an SEC school and don't want to fully embrace the reality of NIL in recruiting, it's time to go back to places with tiny gyms and games on unknown networks (or solely on-line) because a major conf. program is not for you.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:50 pm to mmcgrath
I assure you the guy my friend was talking about was no wannabe high roller. I’m not going to out him on this board.
You can choose to believe whatever you want.
You can choose to believe whatever you want.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 2:22 pm to SoloTiger
If this is true, then we have problems. Without players, we are bringing a sling shot to a gun fight. D-1 basketball might be the dirtiest sport of all and if he’s not willing to roll up the sleeves and play ball, we might as well start looking for the replacement
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:12 pm to Ampipe96
quote:It's not true. The whole premise is stupid. Boosters with no friendship with a coach just Walz up to one and offer money. If they do the coach will tell them to take a hike. Except maybe Will Wade, which is why he is at McNeese awaiting his show cause.
If this is true, then we have problems. Without players, we are bringing a sling shot to a gun fight. D-1 basketball might be the dirtiest sport of all and if he’s not willing to roll up the sleeves and play ball, we might as well start looking for the replacement
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:30 pm to mmcgrath
Source: NC State transfer Isaiah Miranda is receiving interest from the following programs.
Villanova
Florida State
Oklahoma State
UCF
Nevada
San Jose State
Georgetown
McNeese State
High Point
Kentucky
St. John’s
LSU
Villanova
Florida State
Oklahoma State
UCF
Nevada
San Jose State
Georgetown
McNeese State
High Point
Kentucky
St. John’s
LSU
Posted on 5/11/23 at 4:17 pm to S
Miranda was an LSU (CWW) target, was a top 30 long and athletic PF/C but reclassed to 2022 which dropped him down but still top 50 or so when he committed to NC State. Not sure why he never played a game for NC State, perhaps just too young for the game especially as a big or grades issue and redshirted. Not surprised McNeese reached out. Kentucky was big on him too. I think he would be a take as long as we know Cook gets cleared to play, otherwise we need backcourt depth more at this point.
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