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re: Are we starting to see the pendulum swing the other way?

Posted on 10/29/23 at 4:30 pm to
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10328 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 4:30 pm to
Disagree. A&M wouldn't have made the moves they did in recruiting without NIL.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41151 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 4:48 pm to
I just wonder what smaller schools are doing. SEC schools pay all players a ‘base’ salary for being a scholarship football player…but those figures aren’t published I don’t think. Is Tulane paying all players…UCF?

$50k/yr is pretty damn nice for the 3 and 4 stars. Used to be you’d go to a smaller school for playing time…now you walk on hoping to get paid. I assume.
This post was edited on 10/29/23 at 4:50 pm
Posted by LSURulzSEC
Lake Charles via Oakdale
Member since Aug 2004
78535 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 5:26 pm to
with all this NIL money the 1 time instant transfer needs to be done away...you want to transfer you must sit out a year...too much poaching players now...
Posted by Rdanielson38
Member since Oct 2023
208 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 5:42 pm to
Who do you think loved College Station more? Walter Nolen or McKinley Jackson? Jacoby Matthews or the DL from Acadiana this year? I don’t doubt for a minute, because I’m an On3 and 247 subscriber that all 4 and in fact every OOS kid who chose A&M did so because they just love Jimbo and College Station.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285042 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 5:45 pm to
Now do all the TX & local kids that are coming to lsu over a&m
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
39628 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 6:05 pm to
Not yet unfortunately.
Posted by Rdanielson38
Member since Oct 2023
208 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 6:42 pm to
Just a real mystery why Perkins chose LSU. Not like he had any Louisiana ties. And certainly Jaelyn Davis-Robinson makes your point. We got Durham committed at this point and Davis flipped, so I see the comparison between 5* Matthews and the Acadiana kid.
For my next analysis, I’ll work on the 5* DL LSU signed from Knoxville, TN, Georgia and Arizona after signing a 5* from Mississippi who fall in love with LSU like they did College Station. I think to accomplish that deep love and signing class(es) we’d have to string together a few 4+ loss seasons though.
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
15154 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 7:07 pm to
Pussy and money, son. It’s a tale that’s old as time.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10328 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 7:27 pm to
Perkins was originally from Louisiana. So he most definitely had state ties.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1975 posts
Posted on 10/29/23 at 8:29 pm to
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I don't see why you would promise a bunch of money to any 17/18 year old. NIL to me was all about letting the players who had already become college stars make money, not the 3rd string QB who was highly rated out of HS who hasn't played a meaningful snap.




According to the market, it’s worth it. If you were correct, and it actually *wasnt* worth it, then we’d see the top of the polls loaded with teams that refuse to promise NIL money to recruits. Let me know when that happens.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
17706 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:46 am to
The big breakaway will be the only way to police the money I figure in next 5-7 years the top 40 will get their own league own commission own tv contracts and reel in the money grabbers. I’m hoping it’s sooner rather than later
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
75479 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 12:58 pm to
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There will still be players who chase the biggest payments, just like there will still be players who opt for their dream school regardless of NIL.


And the latter will usually turn out to be better players and stay on the field longer.
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
1416 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:30 pm to
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why would they think they can’t get the highest NIL or close to it, get great development and go to the NFL?


Guess you haven't been following Aggie football and recruiting for the last year or so. The biggest NIL bags weren't enough to keep all those blue-chippers at 8&4.

And now we're seeing top recruits rethink going there, despite getting (what we believe to be) the fattest NIL bags out there.

You can go to aTm and get a lot of NIL money, but an honest appraisal of that team shows you won't be developed in the same way as at LSU, Bama, Georgia, or hell even Florida or Ole Miss.

Six years into Jimboob's tenure, and they still haven't won anything other than the big pink donkey at the county fair shooting booth. Unless they win out and win BIG, I doubt Jimbo or his coaches will be there after the last game of the season. I don't think the biggest, fattest NIL payments could counterbalance the chaos that is coming to Aggieland.

That's just an example of the point I was trying to make: getting the biggest NIL bag may not be the best (or wisest) decision a top recruit can make. It might be a stretch to convince a recruit that getting 1-200K less in an NIL deal might be the better option (just guessing). But I think it's possible, and getting more likely as time goes on.

Aggie is one example - I'm sure there are other valid examples in other conferences (that I don't follow).
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
62950 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 2:43 pm to
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According to the market, it’s worth it. If you were correct, and it actually *wasnt* worth it, then we’d see the top of the polls loaded with teams that refuse to promise NIL money to recruits. Let me know when that happens.


You don't actually know how much anyone is receiving. No, not the claimed amount, the real amount that actually goes to their bank accounts.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5623 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 3:53 pm to
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Not like he had any Louisiana ties


What?

He was born here and his Dad and most of his extended family still live here
Posted by IBeenYeetin
Member since Sep 2019
317 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:04 pm to
Clearly is unaware of his uncle being all LSU lol
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
68913 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:06 pm to
Think this is a bit wishful thinking. Big NIL schools are putting plenty of kids into the league. It hasn’t been around enough to even see who is getting paid big in their second nfl contracts and if there schools are mega NIL schools or not.
Posted by nwallb2
Member since Jun 2018
874 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 12:37 am to
LSU will need to have a plan to compensate for their lack of mega boosters in the NIL world. I would think they have a strategy.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13109 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 6:52 am to
We seem to under Kelly.

Be very selective which kids to target position by position

Set a bar and don't go above it. Gets too pricey, bail. Some kids get the extra push like Womack last cycle

Put the focus on culture fits, system fits, scouting and development.

Land a high percentage of the kids you focus the target on. The board doesn't seem to adjust very much.

Is it bad strategy? Who knows. Kelly has been described as smart so my guess is he took stock of the financial threshold we have and put together a plan to achieve success. It's why we are paying him 100 mil. Time will tell if it works or not. His vision just doesn't correlate with our(fans) lack of patience. At this point we have no choice but to watch it play out.

For the record, I believe NIL is grossly overthought and overemphasized by fans. The difference in an individual player situation isn't that much. The difference for schools like TAM is they have a larger(virtually unlimited) overall pool of money to secure a class. My point is, they can go top market for all 25(no limits so an arbitrary number) kids in their class while we have to be scrupulous with our spending to keep the class balanced and fill our needs with quality players even if not the top market guys. Just my opinion.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
3644 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:04 am to
I doubt it, there are no guarantees in life. Maybe you get in a car accident, maybe you aren’t good enough for the NFL, maybe you tear your knee up. If you get a six figure deal coming out of hs and another school can double another’s offer, you take the money and run IMO. Then work your butt off and try to get into the NFL. People get drafted out of the sunbelt conf.
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