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Why all the hate for Weed & Feed here?

Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:52 am
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41644 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:52 am
Every time I or someone else here mentions using weed & feed, it gets slammed like it's the worst thing to do to your lawn but I've always had fantastic results from it and have never regretted using it. Am I just using it correctly or am I simply easily pleased with my lawn? It cleans up all the weeds, thickens my grass, and makes it a nice dark green color.

What is the main beef everyone has with weed & feed?
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
36188 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:55 am to
What kind do you use and where do you live?
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3798 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:56 am to
It’s the Ridgeline of the Outdoor Board. Sure, it’s a good vehicle. Not really a truck, but also not really a car. Doesn’t do either very well, but can still accomplish the job for 75% of people.

Weed treatments and fertilizing should generally be separate, independent steps targeted for each purpose.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81673 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:12 am to
I NEVER want my grass fed, ever.
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:26 am to
It will do the trick for majority of people.

Usually people that have enough curiosity to ask for help on a message board don't want a standard yard though. And the people that often give the advice also don't envision a standard yard for whoever is asking for advice.

Killing the weeds then fertilizing is in the long run cheaper than weed and feed, just has a more expensive initial cost. It also takes more time and scheduling than a lot of people are willing to spend on their lawn.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6217 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:06 pm to
My issue is the lack of control. Maybe you want a little more fert but you can't do that because you'll also be putting down a little more weed control. What if your grass is dark green and looking just fine so you don't want to fert it as much but you still need the weed control. You can't do that either. What if the weed control in the bag is meant for cool weather but it's been sitting in your garage because you didn't use it all in the early spring. Now you apply it in the summer and it does damage. What if your yard only has 5 weeds and your yard doesn't need a full broadcast spread of weed control.
Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
4476 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:32 pm to
Because virginia buttonweed and chamberbitter say "hold my beer and watch this" when you put out weed and feed.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18012 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:32 pm to
because people are becoming more aware of proper nitrogen applications. usually weed & feed at the same time is a very poor decision.

Search up your local ag school's maintenance guidelines for your location and grass type. You'll find that optimal fertilizing is probably different than what you practice.

Once you do better, you dont even need the weed killers/prevent anymore. Your healthy grass will take care of all that on its own.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5272 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:54 pm to
I don’t think it’s a hate or beef - as others have stated - it an issue of getting maximum benefit of the herbicide and fertilizer, and applying them simultaneously as a weed & feed product doesn’t always provide for that.

Weed & Feeds were developed as convenience products for consumers, and there are windows of application time, late March/April in the Deep South, where they maybe perfectly suitable for use. But late winter and summer are not particularly suitable times to be using weed & feed products.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:57 pm to
Bingo
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64070 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:02 pm to
My next door neighbor uses weed and feed.

I use:

Fall and Spring pre-emergent
2,4d broadcast in Spring
2,4d spot spray through the season
high nitrogen fertilizer Early summer, mid summer

-all separately

Been doing this two years.

Our lawns look identical. (healthy bermuda interspersed with dead poa annua stalks, woodsorrel, some violet, some crabgrass, some VA Buttonweed).

I'm sure he chuckles at me from his garage.


Neighbor on the other side uses a service, his looks better than ours, except for some recent sink holes from buried construction debris 20 years ago.


All bermudagrass.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41644 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

My issue is the lack of control. Maybe you want a little more fert but you can't do that because you'll also be putting down a little more weed control. What if your grass is dark green and looking just fine so you don't want to fert it as much but you still need the weed control. You can't do that either. What if the weed control in the bag is meant for cool weather but it's been sitting in your garage because you didn't use it all in the early spring. Now you apply it in the summer and it does damage. What if your yard only has 5 weeds and your yard doesn't need a full broadcast spread of weed control.



Ok I see where y'all are coming from now. I'm in the Baton Rouge area and have used weed & feed with zero issues. My yard looks great everytime I use it and I have had some issues with virginia buttonweed in the past but not anymore. I'm happy with the results to be honest.
Posted by LSUEnvy
Hou via Lake Chas
Member since May 2011
12102 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:32 pm to
I never found it works as well as using a spray for weeds and separate feedings. Been following Randy Lemmons schedule (mostly) and my lawn has never looked better.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5272 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

deeprig9

Look if Weed & Feeds work for people then have at it, but I’d be curious what type of herbicides are contained in weed & feed products your neighbor uses for mid summer fertilization applications on your Bermudagrass lawns.

Most, not all, weed & feed products, contain atrazine as the herbicide and atrazine can/will damage/kill actively growing bermudagrass. Other weed & feed products contain trimec herbicides with 2,4 D and that would be damaging to Bermudagrass lawns as well in the heat of summer. Now some weed & feeds contain pre-emergent Dimension and that would be OK.

I know you are in GA but he’ll it gets as hot as Hades in summer there to. Find out what your neighbor uses and let us know.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 3:08 pm
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
12209 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:22 pm to
You aren’t getting good coverage with nutrients or herbicide. Sucks compared to individual products. That’s why
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30065 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 8:47 am to
quote:

I NEVER want my grass fed, ever.


damn right skippy

im so happy my house is in an area with poor soil so the grass grows very slow

only in august do i "need" to cut grass every week, the rest of summer its only needing to be cut every other week unless we get lots of rain. outside the summer month i can often wait until 3 weeks to cut it

sure i want weed control but i dont want anything that makes it grow faster
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166339 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 9:05 am to
spreads any sort of disease on lawn like wild fire.
Posted by questionable
FL
Member since Apr 2008
1020 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Why all the hate for Weed & Feed


Posted by Jason in BR LA
Dutchtown
Member since Feb 2012
134 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:13 pm to
My professors at LSU despised weed n feed. The "weed" part is a very broad spectrum herbicide that kills broadleaf PLANTS. Oak trees and azaleas included in that list. You don't put out enough to kill the trees outright but you poison it every year and stunt its growth. People only associate weed n feed with the lawn and don't recognize the damage they are doing to the other landscape plants.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5272 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

My professors at LSU despised weed n feed. The "weed" part is a very broad spectrum herbicide that kills broadleaf PLANTS. Oak trees and azaleas included in that list. You don't put out enough to kill the trees outright but you poison it every year and stunt its growth. People only associate weed n feed with the lawn and don't recognize the damage they are doing to the other landscape plants.

Very good point - atrazine herbicide used in numerous weed & feeds formulations can can severely damage and kill woody shrubs and young/small trees overtime, and if you have landscape beds adjacent to the lawn it’s very easy for rotary spreaders to sling that product into the beds.
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