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re: Louisiana Tropical Fruit Gardening - Experiences and Updates

Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:27 am to
Posted by TimeOutdoors
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:27 am to
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In last paragraph he states he uses 50% sand, 25% peat, and 25% pumice


Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't he say he uses pumice and charcoal to help reduce the weight. From what I gathered, if you aren't worried about weight, Peat, Sand, and Perlite are all that is needed.

Youtube
It's a long video, but this is where I gathered the information,
This post was edited on 5/5/26 at 8:33 am
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:30 am to
By the way, this soil from the depot is relatively cheap, and mixed 2:1 with play sand makes a pretty good all purpose bed and pot soil for not too much money



i checked all the open bags of the various offerings (there’s always open/torn bags) and this one has the least amount of ground up bark and the most perlite. When mixed with the sand it loosens up nicely and doesn’t compact in the pot
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:36 am to
I’m not a huge fan of peat. I know it’s an ideal potting medium but I don’t use it…non renewable and nutritionally sterile. To me it adds the necessity to fertilize and while I know that’s part of what this thread is all about, I’m too lazy to keep up with it. I’m after the middle ground of drainage plus nutrients. If nothing else, this thread has broken me of the all-organic matter soils habit though
Posted by TimeOutdoors
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 9:07 am to
I was a mostly organic person myself, but what I got out of this video is that the peat help retains the moisture, so they were not having to water as often in a sand-based mix. It's pretty late in the video where they talk about tomatoes growing in compost bins because they are not very susceptible to root rot. He talked about using test plants and recommended strawberries and ferns as test plants.

Last year I used a peat, vermiculite, sand mix. The sand mix was a mixture of play sand and the more gritty sand used with brick pavers. It was heavy, but I only had one tree die on me and it was one I am pretty sure I let get to dry over the winter. I bought 4 bags of Gary's mix this year, but if the reason for the charcoal and pumice is only to reduce weight I think I am going to stick with just using sand. I think I am going to look into doing some test plants not only with the soil, but with the spraying with fish emulsion, seaweed, and molasses. In the video I linked he talked about mulching with leaves and that the leaves provided the nutrients to the soil.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 11:50 am to
quote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't he say he uses pumice and charcoal to help reduce the weight. From what I gathered, if you aren't worried about weight, Peat, Sand, and Perlite are all that is needed.


Yes, you can use just sand as the drainage material. The pumice adds structure (air pockets) in the same way as perlite. Pumice just lasts longer. Pumice and perlite also hold on to moisture somewhat while sand does not.

If you go one third each of peat/sand/perlite you will be doing better than 99% of gardeners in the US and better than any bagged soil you can buy in Louisiana.
This post was edited on 5/5/26 at 11:53 am
Posted by Neauxla
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 11:57 am to
Why does Garys call for Pumice and Perlite? Why not just Pumice?
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:04 pm to
Perlite is significantly lighter.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

I think I am going to look into doing some test plants not only with the soil, but with the spraying with fish emulsion, seaweed, and molasses.

Foliar feeding absolutely works and should be done at least a few times per year. I do it about every month. Use seaweed. The fish emulsion stinks too bad to spray and I think the seaweed works better too. I know about the molasses but have not tried it since I suspect it will attract pests.
Posted by Neauxla
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:12 pm to
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Perlite is significantly lighter.
Is that the only benefit?
Posted by DickTater
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:36 pm to
I imagine weight per volume, also easier to source than pumice for most people. I think it also helps fill the size gap between pumice and sand. It does also hold on to some nutrients

You have aeration and moisture ingredients ..trying to find the balance of both in YOUR specific climate. This mix may need to be tweaked based on need.
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 4:50 pm to
^ what he said.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 4:53 pm to
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The fish emulsion stinks too bad to spray
if you have dogs you will only make this mistake once
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 5:04 pm to
OK time for another non-fruit update about container growing one of my favorite root hardy tropicals, the Pride of Barbados (Caesalpinia pulcherrima).





Most of y'all probably already know about this plant and the amazing honey-scented flowers. You probably also know that it is root hardy in 9a. It will die to the ground and come back bigger and stronger each year.

But they grow best in rocky poor dry soils in full sun will not tolerate low wet locations. We don't have a lot of dry rocky soil in south LA and my yard is absolutely full of low wet spots where things like bananas and irises thrive. But I wanted Pride of Barbados flowers mixed in with my tropical landscaping so I did an experiment.

I planted seeds in a 30 gallon pot full of sand, rocks, and bagged topsoil. I culled the weaker sprouts and let the strongest one grow in 2025. In the winter, I gave it zero protection. Root hardy in the ground is one thing. Root hardy in an exposed pot is another.

It of course got zapped by 18F this winter and I suspected it was probably dead. After all, this was an exposed first year planting. Checked it out today and it is coming back fast.



So now we know. You can put these things into big pots in the locations you want and then forget about them in winter. Much more root hardy than we thought. This was an unexpected success so I'll need to start more seeds. Awesome plant.
This post was edited on 5/5/26 at 5:23 pm
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:45 pm to
Looks like the banana i potted up is going to make it. The best candidate when I dug was one that my dog had mauled and was pushing a new leaf. It has grown about 6" since potting when it only had 3 or 4 lil roots coming out the base. .




Will I need to cull my guava or will it drop a lot of the fruit? There are probably 50 buds on it and it is still sprouting more.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 8:25 pm to
you’re good that’s why

what can I trade you? I have all kinds of cool shite already potted up…loquat, fig, beautyberry, giant black eyed susan, lantana, oaks, birch, pecans, palmetto, etc
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 11:18 pm to
quote:

Looks like the banana i potted up is going to make it. The best candidate when I dug was one that my dog had mauled and was pushing a new leaf. It has grown about 6" since potting when it only had 3 or 4 lil roots coming out the base. .

Bananas are tough as hell. I cut an unrooted pup off a namwah and threw it onto my burn pile. Then I burned it. It rooted and now there's a namwah in my burn pile.

quote:

Will I need to cull my guava or will it drop a lot of the fruit? There are probably 50 buds on it and it is still sprouting more.


Guava does not drop much fruit in my experience. Depending on size of the tree, you may need to thin. I find my early season guavas are subpar and I think it's because there are too many fruit sharing too few sugars. I'm thinning all tropical guava to 1 fruit per branch now. My late season guavas are always amazing.
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:04 am to
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what can I trade you? I have all kinds of cool shite already potted up…loquat, fig, beautyberry, giant black eyed susan, lantana, oaks, birch, pecans, palmetto, etc


I'm not worried about that but if you have an extra beautyberry I'd love to have one. I'd been planning on digging one up to add to my native corner. I have palmetto, prairie rose, and wax myrtle that hides the pile of bow targets in one corner of my yard

Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:17 am to
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beautyberry
you got it

This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 1:05 pm
Posted by Tigerlaff
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 5:50 pm to
Great time of year guys. Everything is starting to load up.

Key lime is loaded.


Lemon cattley guava is loaded.


Sapodillas starting to plump up and approach ripeness.




Been picking red jaboticabas, Jamaican cherries, meiwa kumquats and LSU Hollier figs. Love this time of year.
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:07 pm to
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Sapodillas starting to plump up and approach ripeness.




How long did it take yours to get that big? I swear mine hasn't grown an inch in 2 months. Looks healthy, though.
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