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re: Thinking About Planting A Satsuma

Posted by DickTater on 9/25/26 at 10:16 am to
Oddly enough the leaf minors are mostly cosmetic. Don’t do much damage to the actual tree’s photosynthesis. They attack young new growth more often. Parasitic wasps are the best defense.

I do keep my citrus pruned somewhat to help with airflow, as that helps a lot with any scale and sooty mold. And keep the ants away from them bc they protect the scale from being destroyed and will carry them around lol. Nectar of the gods!!
What is your goal ?
Ground ? Pot?
Do you have the means to protect it for a few years while young ? Will you be active with it or letting it fend for itself?
Do you have a good spot? (They don’t like wet soggy soil) if not, can plant on a berm.

As pillage said, owari is a well known more cold hardy easy to find variety.
Fruit will take 2-3 years but full production will be 4-5
Love it. It seems unphased currently. Doing a week of shade then back into the fray!
Okay, small update. Added another mandarin to the group. My kids love citrus. So I now have what I think to be 3 premium mandarin. Newest cultivar added is a Shiranui (dekopon, Sumo orange).
This was bare rooted and potted straight into Gary mix 19 gal planter. I know citrus don’t like bare rooting, but the soil was just TRASH, so it had to be done. (Saxon Becnel tree)

Now I will say four winds growers ships nice trees, In decent soil (bark, pumice, peat) and a good tree pot for those wondering.

Other varieties I have are golden nugget- potted and Owari satsuma mandarin in ground-plan to graft other varieties onto it.

In ground - Cara Cara Orange, Rio Red grapefruit, Persian lime
Potted Lemon- rooted cutting
That’s enough citrus lol. All bases covered.





Lil Gem mango trying to photobomb

Final result- growing this tree a bit different, going to try more of a central leader with proper scaffold placement radiating out, using a stake and wire to train it for now. My other citrus I’ve done more open center style with layers. Just playing around after reading some University of Florida advice.
Looks like a staghorn fern
And a very very large one lol
Here’s mine
A week in and nothing yet, but figure it’ll take 3-4 weeks maybe longer to push from below that bark!

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Reed avocado under a shade tent, our sun is brutal, avocados love some afternoon shade …
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And a truly tiny starting its journey

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Okay have a question in regards to trimming my Pickering. The tree has never wanted to really grow super upright, I get it’s a dwarf in a pot. Tried tying it up in spots for over a year, never really lignified. So I said the hell with it and let it do its thing. The 3 main scaffold branches are spaced evenly, and branch at about 16” above root flare, but immediately droop down towards the ground..new growth has drug it down further. Now it has eventually gone back up right somewhat. Curious what the thoughts are if I should just let it be and do its thing, eventually it will get going up, or if I should head back to a larger branch and start over, which I don’t want to do, but may be best :( ?


I just worry about fruit load down the road, but maybe it’s stronger this way?

Tree is in a 15 gal pot




Have had a few gauvas just fall off recently. Brought them inside to ripen fully, another 4-6 days. I must say pretty dang good! Not as sweet as late season fruit, but I thinned them to one per branch and think that’s helped considerably!

See the 2nd round of blooms are about to open, hopefully they set in this heat yikes
Yea I think you’re right on pot size. Guessing that’ll be the final up pot for that tree’s life ? Maybe a root prune in 5 years?
I don’t think I’m far from jumping my guava. That thing can suck a pot dryyyyy and goes from perfectly perky to droopy mess by the afternoon lol.

Yea I would love a winter not in the teens…just really screwy with all the plants..would love a normal flowering cycle for my deciduous fruit trees also.

And my poor Reed avocado despite my best efforts is so stressed by spring it drops all its leaves around flowering time, been in a holding pattern for 18 months on size. It’s finally pushing well again. I do think it’s the wrong variety for our climate though. My potted ones and the Maria black in ground I think will do substantially better.

Would love some star fruit this year, but any that set end up dropping, guessing the heat??
Pickering to 45g! That’s a big boy step! Is that what you think caused the majority of the fruit issues, heat stress?

Also in regards to winter planning, all this El Niño talk has me not looking forward to the potential crappy cold season.
Have you reached out to the bonsai store under hill out by you in Folsom ?
They sell a mix for $68 5 gal of pumice lava and shale.
Wonder if they mix it or can get bulk product before it’s mixed ??
We really need a nursery to pick up a contract for top pot or at least the precursors !
Good. Just making sure was on the right track.

Yea the kari was blooming at set fruit but had dropped many of them ..maybe heat and sun? Hopefully will be happier with a bit of shade. It’s really cool how it blooms off the branches and trunk directly!
Hoping to get some edible fruit this year!

In the fall does yours go dormant? Was reading it is technically an evergreen, but doubt that in our climate.
Few questions on heat wave.

I’ve repositioned my trees to be in the shade by about 430, they seem to be doing much better. My dwarf Hawaiian was reallllly struggling to hold new leaves without burn. Pickering that tree didn’t care.

On the kari, I k ow I read you call it a drama queen. Does it yellow and drop leaves easily? It seems happy, then bam a whole branch of leaves will yellow lol. No drooping or folding, so guessing not water. Gonna throw up an umbrella and see if it just needs less sun late day.

My avocados under shade cloth are very happy and are just pushing growth like crazy.
Okay I’ll give that a try with the micros.

You mind sharing a source on who will ship out to us ? I had got some from Amazon before, but that dried up
I listened to the Gary avocado video and in it he did mention that there was some issue with shipping his mix. Something about distribution errors and a possibility of a mixing plant being initiated on the east coast…but hopes to have it sorted out soon!

Man just catching up, been out of town. Pickering is really pushing right now. It’s such a floppy tree though!

I have good framework, but it’s like the tree pushes faster than the lignification can take place! I have it tied up some for support, but trying to wean it off the ties and just let it drop then come up from there I guess. It’s much less upright that dwarf Hawaiian.




Also my DH having some odd chlorosis maybe ? On newer leaves ?

Same nutrients on both trees as well as soil.

Used osmocote plus , azomite

Should I spray some micros ? Iron ?


Got around to potting my new mangos and kari starfruit up yesterday.

Starfruit got a a full rootball wash, was much more established.

Mangos, not to my surprise had obviously just been recently upsized to the 3g pots. Plan was to leave 50% of rootball, but when I dumped it out I was left with a one gallon or smaller root mass. Kind of annoying to pay for dirt. The cecilove also dropped the new light yellow leaves it had just flushed due to shipping stress and rubbing in the box I imagine.

Anyways they’re in a good mix, good pots and in the shade to recover for a week or so!
50 gallons of mix!

Got a 45lb sack of pumice from pumice store.com that amounted to 10 gal of rock







Avocados doing fantastic
Stack them behind the guava and mangos for afternoon shade

Laff what do you have in the 45gal pots? Hard to tell

Ruby sup guava is wildly thirsty in this heat, wants water daily! Leaves go from perky to sad back to plump!
They’re in a 3 gal pot, about 24” right now
Definitely just barely year old trees.



Nice!
Just extra pumice on top the seedling?

I got some ataulfo from Costco to scratch my itch,, going to plant the seeds just to have some fun and try grafting on them.

Got my new cecilove, and lil gem in. Look pretty good, 2 flushes above the graft, genuine Zill yellow nursery tags.

Planning to go into Cajun top pot mix in a 15 gal pot.
Would you completely bare root them, or just shoot for maybe 50% reduction in the terrible soil? Worried if I go too aggressive on these in this heat (even after shady recovery) they will get more shock and reduce vigor for a while…thoughts ?
My lone Pickering. Finally cut into it after sitting a few days to ripen. Obviously something was going on with it. Seed pod also didn’t develop.

Flavor wise, very encouraging. The little bit of ripe in the center was great. I could definitely taste the coconut!
Looking forward to better years!



re: Does Celsius Xtra work well?

Posted by DickTater on 6/22/26 at 8:37 am to
I’ll add fuel to the spectacle fire. It’s worth every penny. I have 25k of turf, and my weed pressure has dropped to nearly zero. I was a long time prodiamine user. Now I do prodiamine early spring, spectacle late spring, and again in early fall.
Poa is gone, spurge is gone, doveweed is almost gone.
I think just need another yearly cycle to squash it.

Buy a proper electric sprayer, and good pre em tip (coarse droplet) and get it down