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Experiences with radiant barrier in attics

Posted on 6/19/23 at 7:46 pm
Posted by tharre4
Louisiana
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 7:46 pm
Does anyone on the board have experience with radiant barrier in their unconditioned attic? I’m look at DIY solutions to help keep my AC from working as hard as it is currently. I’m looking at stapling the barrier to the rafters and allowing for air flow from the soffit all the way to the ridge vents. I would also want to seal around penetrations like canned lighting and fixtures to help seal in the conditioned living area.

Is the juice worth the squeeze?

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This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 9:23 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:01 pm to
Yes, I've done exactly what you are planning. I did it in a rental duplex I bought that had no attic insulation. Like an idiot I waited until June to do it and I also had to rewire the place before blowing in insulation. It was brutal putting the barrier up in the heat but once done it dropped the temp significantly. I was able to stay up there and rewire without overheating. That sold me on radiant barriers
Posted by Clames
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:28 pm to
Think one of the unintended consequences of adding it is increased heat load on the shingles and shortening their service life. Think you should seal up gaps first.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:46 pm to
I want to install a radiant barrier also. I know it won't help you but before I do it I will have some long term attic temp data vs ambient to compare with after I install it.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:50 pm to
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Think one of the unintended consequences of adding it is increased heat load on the shingles and shortening their service life.

This is a great point. I will add temp probes touching my shingles in a few places to measure that difference as well.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:17 pm to
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Think one of the unintended consequences of adding it is increased heat load on the shingles and shortening their service life.


A lot of insurance companies will not write insurance on a home with roof shingles 15+ years old. I have 30 year shingles that are 16 years old and it's been a bitch and expensive getting insurance. What's the point of 30 year shingles
Posted by tharre4
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
571 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:21 pm to
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Think one of the unintended consequences of adding it is increased heat load on the shingles and shortening their service life. Think you should seal up gaps first.


So this info is coming from the supplier so take it for what it’s worth. They claim that temperature increase to your shingles would be minimal

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I’m not seeing too many negatives other than the cost and installing while swimming in ball soup.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 6:48 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:26 am to
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I want to install a radiant barrier also. I know it won't help you but before I do it I will have some long term attic temp data vs ambient to compare with after I install it.



Any timeline? I’m super interested in what you’ll find, especially on the shingle temp/longevity front. Because I’m going back and forth on sealing vs radiant vs vent fans.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted by easy1234
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:01 am to
I did both. Radiant barrier is worth doing.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:20 am to
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Think one of the unintended consequences of adding it is increased heat load on the shingles


If the barrier is tacked to the rafters it won't raise shingle temps. The 3 1/2" gap is enough to mitigate temp gain.
Posted by FlyinTiger93
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:25 am to
My house had it when I moved in, so no comparison of it without. I do know that phone service is terrible, inside.
Posted by LSUPat
Katy
Member since Oct 2004
306 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:44 am to
I plan on putting up some in the fall, adding insulation, and sealing the gaps around light fixtures, vents, etc. I will be putting in rafter vents too. The attic foil will be placed only between rafter vents and attic fan to allow ventilation. Attic fan will quickly remove any heat accumulation.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10384 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:01 pm to
Don't add it if you are using a digital antenna for your tv signal. Also, there will be reduction in cellular signal too.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:43 pm to
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Any timeline? I’m super interested in what you’ll find, especially on the shingle temp/longevity front. Because I’m going back and forth on sealing vs radiant vs vent fans.
I guess it depends on how I end up defining "long term".

Ideally I would want several years of temp data to draw a solid conclusion but that's obviously too long. Also to this point I've only had one temp sensor in the attic and that's not enough information, so I'll be starting at day 1 whenever I do get started.

Maybe you can help with the planning. I was just going to start collecting as much data as I can and then figure out later how to interpret it. I was thinking I would put 4 probes around the attic just above the insulation, and 4 more in physical contact with the bottom of the roof decking. I considered putting some outside on top of the shingles but that would be a huge pain, and I figure measuring under the decking would be a good enough proxy. I will take some spot measurements outside to try to calibrate the temp differential as well as lag time to the under deck probe, and if it doesn't seem consistent then I might end up putting some up top later on if I really want to know the shingle temp.

So then how to massage, interpret, and use the data? I'm thinking I'll just chart the ambient, roof, and attic temps, and I'm hoping the pattern will be apparent. I'd expect to see clear peaks and troughs in roof temp lagging behind ambient, and then attic temps similarly lagging behind roof temp. Then lagging behind that I have my thermostat data which on the hottest days struggles to bring the indoor temp down until well past sundown.

I'm hoping to whittle it all down to a couple of values... one representing the amount of energy hitting the house (ambient temp over time), and another representing the amount of energy expended removing the heat that got inside (basically AC runtime). I have no idea what these formulas will look like at this point. A more direct set of values will be the temp differentials from the roof to the lower attic. And of course I will compare before vs. after a radiant barrier.

I also have powered attic vents which I can control and automate to add to the data. I'm really curious whether more heat is transferred from the roof to the insulation via convection or radiation.
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1121 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 2:32 pm to
I've added radiant barrier (bought large roll off amazon). Completed about 30% of my attic. A few things I've learned:

The difference is immediate and surprising. Stand under the radiant barrier then move over to an uncovered spot and the difference in heat is immediate and palpable! It is the difference between standing in the hot summer sun and the shade of a tree.

Cellular signal is definitely diminished. May have to deal with that separately.

Installing with a staple gun by yourself is a major PITA, but doable. Be sure to get the stuff with reinforced threads. It wont tear easily.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13497 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 3:08 pm to
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Cellular signal is definitely diminished. May have to deal with that separately.


When we replaced the farm house roof with metal we went from 4 bars inside to zero. But turning on wifi calling allows calls and texts to come through fine.

(I have an Iphone, not sure of other brands do that...)
Posted by yomamak
Member since Feb 2008
586 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 3:33 pm to
I'm in the same boat but I'm gonna go with ridge vent instead and insulate more this coming winter.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 3:59 pm to
I've done about 75% of my roof. Doing it by yourself is sort of like making your bed while you are lying in it. It's doable, but a bit of a challenge. I have a pneumatic crown staple gun I bought for upholstery 10 years ago and I highly recommend it.

I'd be lying if I said I noticed a huge difference. I have had two roofing companies take a look and both confirmed my hip roof lacks sufficient ridge venting. Next step is turbines I believe.

In the fall, I will blow in more insulation. I'm angry I didn't get around to it this winter as planned.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3541 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 4:02 pm to
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RaginCajunz


Let us know if the roofing company decides to keep your ridge vents and simply add turbines.
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